[Signing] Gaudreau to Columbus (7 x $9.75 million)

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s kind of amazing how many people have such backwards views of long term partnerships.

More excusable from the chronically single crowd because how would they ever know, but I’m with you in just feeling bad for the partners of some of those who aren’t.

I think in any healthy long term relationship, “moving to another city long term” is a decision that’s pretty equal. Of course Johnny’s wife had a huge say in the final decision. I would hope everyone would be in a relationship where the other person has a huge say in major life decisions that are going to impact them just as much.

And that doesn’t mean there’s any blame for his wife. The decision was up to the two of them, but it was 100% Johnny’s responsibility to communicate properly with the Flames and his agent. He didn’t, that’s on him. Even if they needed up until the last minute to decide, you don’t get silly letting your agent make ultimatums.

She’s about to have his kid. Johnny wanted to move to Philly close to his family, didn’t work, so they moved close to her family.

I don’t have children myself but I can imagine having all the family support helps. John will be on the road a lot, I completely understand wanting to be near family in that situation rather than a new city all by yourself.

[NOISIA]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

Im just surprised Johnny hasn't said a peep about the Flames yet. Like make a small scratch pad post on your iphone and screen shot it to Twitter.

Shell shock.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It’s not that simple and they were already in 10th place last year.

Teams can fluctuate +\- 10 points year to year on pure luck alone.

There can be internal growth too. Columbus has some real good young players in Johnson, Sillinger, Boqvist, Texier, Bemstrom, Foudy, and Chinakov and they will be getting better with more experience and will improve the team.

I could easily see them in a battle with Washington and Pittsburgh for a spot as those teams get older. They are likely better than NJ, NYI, and Philly.

Like 20 points back, and the Sens have drastically improved if someone in the top eight is gonna be knocked out of a wildcard.

Islanders are also better.

CBJ doesn't have a hope in hell

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by NOISIA

Examples of teams leading their division and trading top players at the deadline?

I wasn't talking about other teams. and I wasn't talking about when the Flames were leading the division.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Good teams find ways to keep their best players without overpaying, and then add more good players to the core to build a winning roster.

Then they move out secondary players that weren’t actually core pieces that are overvalued because they played with the true good players to recoup assets.

How would this apply to the Flames specifically? It doesn't appear there was anything they could have done to keep Johnny, and it's not clear whether or not they can keep Chucky.

Who do you think are the secondary players they should move out to recoup assets?

[NOISIA]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

You have your view what marriage is supposed to be like, and I have mind. Let's just stop here. I don't want to drag this thread into silly bickering.

So when people get married opinions from both parties shouldn’t be equal? Got it.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Locke

Okay...lets dial it back a little.

A good man does support his wife. Absolutely. But its a partnership.

Look, I think for the most part we're all regular people here. We're not making Multi-Million dollar decisions that could effect our families for generations.

Whats that saying?

"A Professional Sports job isnt a career, its an opportunity. Maximize it."

It is a very limited, short-term opportunity that is very lucrative.

We can 'not feel bad' for guys making this kind of money for playing a game, but there are sacrifices that they have to make too.

Frankly, I'd be inclined to make the sacrifices that squeeze every ounce out of it.

Gaudreau is going to be able to retire at 35 with a 6 or 7 year-old kid at that point and ~$100M in career earnings. The world is his Oyster at that point.

If you didnt get everything you ever wanted along the way? That seems like a small price to pay.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s kind of amazing how many people have such backwards views of long term partnerships.

More excusable from the chronically single crowd because how would they ever know, but I’m with you in just feeling bad for the partners of some of those who aren’t.

I think in any healthy long term relationship, “moving to another city long term” is a decision that’s pretty equal. Of course Johnny’s wife had a huge say in the final decision. I would hope everyone would be in a relationship where the other person has a huge say in major life decisions that are going to impact them just as much.

And that doesn’t mean there’s any blame for his wife. The decision was up to the two of them, but it was 100% Johnny’s responsibility to communicate properly with the Flames and his agent. He didn’t, that’s on him. Even if they needed up until the last minute to decide, you don’t get silly letting your agent make ultimatums.

Why are you guys quoting mine and not Hackey? My reply to his is just to say not the wife have to support the husband. What Hacky saying was a good wife would support the husband. I agree with what you said, in replying, quoting Hackey post is only fair.

[ben voyonsdonc]

It’s weird to hear people try to define a “good woman”. The Yoko Ono talk is kind of cringey to me too.

I expect that they’d have had discussions long before this week about what they really wanted. If she didn’t feel at home in Calgary and he was ready to go elsewhere, I respect that he wanted to make a good life for both of them. I think he wanted to leave and wasn’t pushed into it unwillingly by his spouse.

[JohnnyB]

I don't really think their marriage life is the best topic of conversation for CP, but I will just say that I hope this was the right choice for them and it works out fine for their life together. If it went down the way that is speculated with his wife's preferences being the determining factor, that's a potentially pretty heavy burden for a young marriage to bare. One partner giving up $17 million on the biggest contract of their life, burning what has been an important bridge and relationship in their life, damaging their legacy in an important community from their life, and leaving the top line in their profession to play for a non-playoff team that struggles to retain talent are all some potentially really large regrets. I find the way it ended between Johnny and the Flames really distasteful, but I wish them and their kid a happy family life ahead with all those losses left in the past.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

I expect that they’d have had discussions long before this week about what they really wanted.

How nice of them, then, to keep their decision totally secret from the Flames until the last minute.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Why are you guys quoting mine and not Hackey? My reply to his is just to say not the wife have to support the husband. What Hacky saying was a good wife would support the husband. I agree with what you said, in replying, quoting Hackey post is only fair.

Your posts seem somewhat more reasonable to reply to.

Its a prickly subject, I dont want to vilify anyone.

We're trying to put together a puzzle without all the pieces here.

[NOISIA]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

It’s weird to hear people try to define a “good woman”. The Yoko Ono talk is kind of cringey to me too.

I expect that they’d have had discussions long before this week about what they really wanted. If she didn’t feel at home in Calgary and he was ready to go elsewhere, I respect that he wanted to make a good life for both of them. I think he wanted to leave and wasn’t pushed into it unwillingly by his spouse.

So “man up” and say it. Would deflect tons of blame from his wife.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

How nice of them, then, to keep their decision totally secret from the Flames until the last minute.

Agreed. It’s what has been so frustrating to me.

[BigJim]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Not just in Edwards’ world.

Yah, that's just bad faith bargaining, pure and simple.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Good teams find ways to keep their best players without overpaying, and then add more good players to the core to build a winning roster.

Then they move out secondary players that weren’t actually core pieces that are overvalued because they played with the true good players to recoup assets.

Yes you are right they do.

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by Hackey

If you have to bend over backwards and do what she says, as the original post you quoted stated, then that's not a good woman. If you want to stay, and she makes the decision no you're not, then that's not a good woman. I have no idea what Gaudreaus wife is like, but you responded like that was normal and okay. But I realize a lot of men are in relationships like that. And yes I feel sorry for you if you think that is normal or okay.

Being a doormat isn't supporting its simping.

Absolutely.

It’s all about understanding each other’s needs, wants and goals in life. It’s best to lay it all out before you get married, or at least understand that we do change as people.

I support my wife and am proud of what she does. She supports me like no other. But we also understand that we both are strong personalities and won’t take #### from either other.

There is nothing more annoying than those passive aggressive couples that just become slave and master.


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[NOISIA]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Yes you are right they do.

When is he last time the Flames lost a top free agent? Cammy?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Good teams find ways to keep their best players without overpaying, and then add more good players to the core to build a winning roster.

Then they move out secondary players that weren’t actually core pieces that are overvalued because they played with the true good players to recoup assets.

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Yes you are right they do.

And then they sign one of those true good players to a 10.5x8 deal that will hamstring the team long after the player isn't good anymore. And the next thing you know, they're not a good team anymore, either.

This is step 1 on the road from the 2015 Blackhawks to the 2022 Blackhawks.

[NOISIA]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

Absolutely.

It’s all about understanding each other’s needs, wants and goals in life. It’s best to lay it all out before you get married, or at least understand that we do change as people.

I support my wife and am proud of what she does. She supports me like no other. But we also understand that we both are strong personalities and won’t take #### from either other.

There is nothing more annoying than those passive aggressive couples that just become slave and master.


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They probably met 2ish years ago or so, he was a millionaire playing in Canada.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

How would this apply to the Flames specifically? It doesn't appear there was anything they could have done to keep Johnny, and it's not clear whether or not they can keep Chucky.

Who do you think are the secondary players they should move out to recoup assets?

Yeah that is my worry. We seem to be trending down especially if we lose Chucky. I would rather have gotten something for Brodie maybe even trading GIO, before Brodie would have gotten us some decent assets. I know it is a difficult thing to trade an aging asset, IGGY we kept a bit too long.