Brad Treliving needs to go

[Two Fivenagame]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You're the one who said the team shouldn't go all-in until they won a playoff round. Well, they weren't keeping that team together beyond this season, as we now see, so the only way to wait till after winning a round was to actually make roster moves during the playoffs. Waiting till next season would have been too late.

Sometimes you just have to take your chance when you can get it.

Sorry I reread your post and understood your point.
Here's my reply:

They missed the playoffs the previous year. They were horrible.
So the first sign of regular season success and BT is betting on the team to go deep only to get embarrassed once again.

How can you defend this GM? What has he accomplished as GM while spending to cap for the majority of his tenure?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

Sorry I reread your post and understood your point.
Here's my reply:

They missed the playoffs the previous year. They were horrible.
So the first sign of regular season success and BT is betting on the team to go deep only to get embarrassed once again.

The first sign of regular-season success? What, 2018-19 never happened now?

How can you defend this GM? What has he accomplished as GM while spending to cap for the majority of his tenure?

I'm not defending him. I'm attacking the stupid arguments people make against him. You want to make a good argument, fill your boots.

[Two Fivenagame]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The first sign of regular-season success? What, 2018-19 never happened now?



I'm not defending him. I'm attacking the stupid arguments people make against him. You want to make a good argument, fill your boots.

Oh yeah, 2018-19 was such a great season that BT spent draft picks on depth D for that super deep playoff run they went on. Great example!

Again, what has BT achieved? If everyone else is making stupid arguments as you say, is love to hear your thoughts oh supreme enlightened one.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

They didn't gamble on anything. They got the longest term Gaudreau was willing to sign for. Tkachuk, if I recall, wanted a 4-year deal that would have walked him directly to UFA, and 3 years was the only other term he was willing to accept.

It isn't extreme mismanagement to sign players to the only contracts they will accept. What should Treliving have done: get rid of them both after their ELCs? Or maybe drug them with pentothal to make them sign different deals?

Is there any actual evidence that Tkachuk would only sign a 3 year deal? From what I recall the team didn't have the cap space to sign a long term deal. Either way Tkachuk wad an RFA and Flames had the leverage. Treliving definitely screwed that contract up bad. You only got 3 years and then basically gave all the leverage to the player.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Is there any actual evidence that Tkachuk would only sign a 3 year deal? From what I recall the team didn't have the cap space to sign a long term deal. Either way Tkachuk wad an RFA and Flames had the leverage. Treliving definitely screwed that contract up bad. You only got 3 years and then basically gave all the leverage to the player.

There was reporting he was only willing to go 3-4 years. He wanted the fast track to UFA. And what leverage do you say the Flames had? Threatening a trade?

[CF84]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

Oh yeah, 2018-19 was such a great season that BT spent draft picks on depth D for that super deep playoff run they went on. Great example!

Again, what has BT achieved? If everyone else is making stupid arguments as you say, is love to hear your thoughts oh supreme enlightened one.

What is the point in being this arrogant?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Half of the anti-Treliving people here say he’s too tough in negotiations with RFAs and half say he should have given Johnny a take or leave it ultimatum before last season, with a year to go and JG saying he wanted to stay and negotiate.

I think he is just a ####ty GM who burns draft picks like no tomorrow, failing to give what has been his biggest asset since he joined the team (their drafting success) a chance to shine and actually build organizational depth. Instead the draft picks that have been burnt (with the exception of the Hamilton trade) show no benefit 24-36 months after they have been burnt. So I guess I am in neither half.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

Oh yeah, 2018-19 was such a great season that BT spent draft picks on depth D for that super deep playoff run they went on. Great example!

You're missing the point, as expected. You said the Flames had never had any regular-season success before this past season. Well, they finished 2nd overall in '18-19 with a substantially similar core.

Again, what has BT achieved? If everyone else is making stupid arguments as you say, is love to hear your thoughts oh supreme enlightened one.

I'm not saying everyone is making stupid arguments. But I'm arguing against the arguments that do happen to be stupid.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You're missing the point, as expected. You said the Flames had never had any regular-season success before this past season. Well, they finished 2nd overall in '18-19 with a substantially similar core.



I'm not saying everyone is making stupid arguments. But I'm arguing against the arguments that do happen to be stupid.

No you aren't. You are being excessively belligerent with anyone that posts an alternative viewpoint, and most posts that I bothered to read from you (which honestly I try to skip), you are constantly attacking posters and ridiculing them, rather than engaging in any meaningful discussion. Just go back and re-read what you post.

[GKDarts]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

They didn't gamble on anything. They got the longest term Gaudreau was willing to sign for. Tkachuk, if I recall, wanted a 4-year deal that would have walked him directly to UFA, and 3 years was the only other term he was willing to accept.

It isn't extreme mismanagement to sign players to the only contracts they will accept. What should Treliving have done: get rid of them both after their ELCs? Or maybe drug them with pentothal to make them sign different deals?

It is extreme mismanagement to hang on to these guys beyond their most marketable windows If they still won’t sign. Tre blew it with Johnny and he’s just blown it again with Tkachuk. He’s backing himself into a trade deadline situation where he’ll have to take whatever is offered.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GKDarts

It is extreme mismanagement to hang on to these guys beyond their most marketable windows If they still won’t sign. Tre blew it with Johnny and he’s just blown it again with Tkachuk. He’s backing himself into a trade deadline situation where he’ll have to take whatever is offered.

Wat? is it February 2023

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Wat? is it February 2023

Waiting until the trade deadline is probably mismanaging the chucky asset as well.

They should give him until July 31 to sign.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Waiting until the trade deadline is probably mismanaging the chucky asset as well.

They should give him until July 31 to sign.

Agreed, Tkachuk is never touching 100 points again without Gaudreau, nor is he worth 10 million. His value will never be so high. I honestly think you move him.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Agreed, Tkachuk is never touching 100 points again without Gaudreau, nor is he worth 10 million. His value will never be so high. I honestly think you move him.

Agreed. Really good player but not the guy to build around. Get a haul for him and start over. I doubt they do it though.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Agreed. Really good player but not the guy to build around. Get a haul for him and start over. I doubt they do it though.

Agreed. If they sign him, his demands will be based on his regular season of last year, which I don't think he reaches ever again in Calgary.

Don't sign him and let the season play out and watch him either leave at the end of the season (I believe he is a UFA) or trade him at the deadline where his numbers will probably be nowhere close to what he did last year thus bringing his value down.

Trade him now and capitalize on his massive value, he is not the best player on a contending team.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

No you aren't. You are being excessively belligerent with anyone that posts an alternative viewpoint,

When the ‘alternative viewpoints’ are along the lines of, ‘Any GM who ever lets an asset go to free agency should be fired,’ or ‘Treliving got nothing for Gaudreau because his 115-point season is of no value,’ I see very little reason to respond with sweetness and light. I'm fed up with mindless negativity, and more than fed up with the bogus reasoning used to justify it.

I'll freely admit that I am one of the worst posters on this site. But good Lord, I've been getting a lot of competition for that position lately.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Agreed. If they sign him, his demands will be based on his regular season of last year, which I don't think he reaches ever again in Calgary.

Don't sign him and let the season play out and watch him either leave at the end of the season (I believe he is a UFA) or trade him at the deadline where his numbers will probably be nowhere close to what he did last year thus bringing his value down.

Trade him now and capitalize on his massive value, he is not the best player on a contending team.

I don't know if the Flames have the stomach to trade him immediately after losing Gaudreau for nothing though. They will probably care more about the optics of remaining competitive more than selling high and maximizing assets.

[GKDarts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Wat? is it February 2023

His stock is certainly not higher today than it was prior to the draft last week. That was the time to trade him, and not risk the Johnny catastrophe that was about to unfold.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GKDarts

His stock is certainly not higher today than it was prior to the draft last week. That was the time to trade him, and not risk the Johnny catastrophe that was about to unfold.

Hindsight. I don't think there is a single person on earth that knew how the ‘Johnny catastrophe’ would turn out, Gaudreau himself included. Did anyone think he would take a lower salary and a shorter term to move to Columbus?

[Two Fivenagame]

Originally Posted by CF84

What is the point in being this arrogant?

My apologies for my arrogant posts. Just getting caught up in a discussion with difficult poster and getting dragged into the muck. Sorry