[Rumour] CBJ make 7 x $12 million offer to Gaudreau

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The writer led off with the Trump vote and a bunch of name-calling, and moreover, used the Trump vote as proof that DeAngelo is a ‘right-wing extremist’. By that definition, nearly half the voters in the U.S. are right-wing extremists, which is nonsense by definition.

Sorry, the article reads like a poorly written and unreasoned hit job right from the opening paragraph. As I say, you can argue against DeAngelo all you want, but that's a foolish place to go looking for evidence.

this is a weird hill to die on but you do you

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

I would point more to his physical altercation with his goaltender and that the Rangers wanted nothing to do with him as evidence of his ######baggery.

See, now you're talking about something that is directly relevant to his employment.

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Yes yes Jay of course. Up yours woke moralists we’ll see who cancels who and all that good stuff.

I never said any such thing. But I know an amateur character assassination when I see one. Honestly, it was like reading AT77 foam at the mouth about Toffoli.

Quality of sources matters.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

this is a weird hill to die on but you do you

I'm not dying on any hill. I'm saying that I wouldn't convict a dog of having fleas on the say-so of an article like that.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

No I wouldn’t - I’ve been saying for six months that if you get him for under $11, consider yourself lucky, because Panarin got $11.6M and their production is basically identical.

I may have mistaken you for another poster, my mistake

its pretty hard to say Calgary lost him for money though, total contract will very likely be less than what Calgary has offered.

[activeStick]

Wow Philly officially out. Do the Devils now hold Johnny to the fire and bet that he won't wanna play on CBJ? Offer him 7 years at 9 per.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That’s completely counter to everything we’ve heard.

Originally Posted by dino7c

lol you can't be serious

GreenLantern forgot his green text.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by dino7c

you would have complained if they signed him to 11x8

NJ, Philly, CBJ are well run teams?

Honestly, I was okay with $11 per over 8 years but no more than that. Johnny is a great player but he's not winning scoring races by himself on a line. If he's getting $12M per year on the market then I think that the Flames may have dodged a bullet. Sure he'd be great for 4 of those years but the down swing may be hard.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Yes if he takes it

You seem to have plenty of time for your instant doom and gloom, don’t see why you’re desperate to get ahead of yourself. Or you didn’t read.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That’s completely counter to everything we’ve heard.

The Scorp post from Seravelli said the Flames offered $84M over 8 years - $10.5AAV.

Three years after Panarin got $11.6AAV over 7 years.

That’s not how pro sports contracts work.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Wow Philly officially out. Do the Devils now hold Johnny to the fire and bet that he won't wanna play on CBJ? Offer him 7 years at 9 per.

That's what the Islanders are rumoured to have offered. The Devils would have to top that, but perhaps not by much.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

No I wouldn’t - I’ve been saying for six months that if you get him for under $11, consider yourself lucky, because Panarin got $11.6M and their production is basically identical.

Under a contract that's still dumb. NYR is lucky they have Mika Z and Krieder on bargain contracts. Calgary still had Tkachuk to deal with.

NYR is also in cap trouble as a result anyway - they only have 5 D signed with $4M in space.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The Scorp post from Seravelli said the Flames offered $84M over 8 years - $10.5AAV.

Three years after Panarin got $11.6AAV over 7 years.

That’s not how pro sports contracts work.

Panarin got his contract before there was such a thing as COVID, when the players didn't owe the owners a billion dollars, and the prospects looked good for the cap to keep going steadily up.

Now we're dealing with a flat cap for two to three more years.

Somebody clearly doesn't know how pro sports contracts work, beginning with the part where you have to have money to spend money.

[ResAlien]

Nvm.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Panarin got his contract before there was such a thing as COVID, when the players didn't owe the owners a billion dollars, and the prospects looked good for the cap to keep going steadily up.

Now we're dealing with a flat cap for two to three more years.

Somebody clearly doesn't know how pro sports contracts work, beginning with the part where you have to have money to spend money.

It appears like Columbus is willing to offer more than what Panarin got in this flat cap world, so maybe they do not know as much about pro sports contracts as you either.

[Sylvanfan]

Columbus is a bit like Calgary in that they can't attract and keep good players. So pretty obvious that they are trying to flip the script here...but likely that Johnny signs with the Devils or Islanders. Can't blame Columbus for trying.

[Mattman]

Originally Posted by CFO

GJ - sillinger - Laine

Could be deadly.

JG - Lindy - Chucky is 10x better

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

C'mon, comparing flight time to drive time?

Flight time from Columbus to NJ is an hour 15 minutes.

From Calgary, 4.5 hours.

TIL there is a daily direct flight from YYC to Newark. The westbound leg is a little over 5 hrs.

I'm not sure where the grandparents currently reside, but Newark Airport is probably a 90 minute drive from most areas in/around Philly. Pretty sure their summer house is more like 2 hrs. Still preferable to a connecting flight to reach YYC, though.


But they can get to any East Conf. city from the Philly airport, which is much more convenient.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

It appears like Columbus is willing to offer more than what Panarin got in this flat cap world, so maybe they do not know as much about pro sports contracts as you either.

That's the rumour.

The fact is, we don't know if this rumour is accurate, we don't know what the Flames' last offer was, we don't know how high they would have gone if Gaudreau hadn't simply broken off the negotiations, we don't know what Gaudreau is eventually going to sign for, and we certainly don't know that he is going to take the highest dollar offer no matter where it comes from.

We do know that Panarin is a poor comparable for any contract being signed now, because the circumstances have changed for the whole league.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Under a contract that's still dumb. NYR is lucky they have Mika Z and Krieder on bargain contracts. Calgary still had Tkachuk to deal with.

NYR is also in cap trouble as a result anyway - they only have 5 D signed with $4M in space.

If you want a superstar via UFA, that’s what it costs.

When Chara signed with the Bruins, he got $7.5M of a $50.3M cap, or 14.9% of the cap.

Panarin’s $11.6M of the 2019 cap of $81.5M is 14.2% of the cap.

It’s the price of poker.

8x$11.7M, deliberately giving him a higher AAV than Panarin, with the extra year, to finish his career with the team who gave him his shot.

Just like Eichel, they had to make an offer the other side couldn’t refuse.

They didn’t. They made an offer that was apparently quite easy to refuse.

So Eichel is a Golden Knight, and Gaudreau is potentially a… Blue Jacket.

But neither are Flames.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The Scorp post from Seravelli said the Flames offered $84M over 8 years - $10.5AAV.

Three years after Panarin got $11.6AAV over 7 years.

That’s not how pro sports contracts work.

Panarin's not the only winger to have ever signed a contract. Forsberg was 1.2 PPG and signed for $8.5. Kucherov signed one year before UFA for $9.5. Stone $9.5 (less points, better D). Barkov $10M and he's a centre and more versatile.

Here are the UFAs signing for more than $10.5

Panarin
Tavares

that is all