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1_Flames_Fan · 07-13-2022, 01:54 PM

I wonder when Johnny will speak to the media, maybe thank the fans and the Flames organization, that kind of thing. Or is that not his style?

nik- · 07-13-2022, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathgod

It does matter, because the Flames assessed how good of a player he is and what he brings to the team, and decided that 10.5x8 was worth paying him. That assessment holds weight even now because it's a measurement of the calibre of player he is and how much he would improve any team he joins.

That was his value to the Flames. What matters now is the offers that are currently on the table.

FanIn80 · 07-13-2022, 01:55 PM

What I would have done, before the deadline, once it became clear he wasn't signing.

- Ask him for three teams he wants to sign with
- Call those teams
- Offer them a signed Gaudreau for 8 years instead of the 7 they would get
- Let each team know there are two other teams in the same picture
- Find out what each team would need to do to clear space
- Work out the best deal I can from amongst those teams
- Sign him for 8x11.5 and make the trade to the team with the best deal

Johnny gets to go where he wants and gets the term and $$ he would have from us.
The team gets Johnny for 8 years instead of 7 and some space for his contract.
We get something (picks, a cap dump, maybe a prospect) in return.

Do I live in a different universe than other people? Probably, but at least in my universe everyone wins.

Icon · 07-13-2022, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

I wonder when Johnny will speak to the media, maybe thank the fans and the Flames organization, that kind of thing. Or is that not his style?

If at all, after he signs a new deal, when one of the reporters asks him about it. Then he can spin the focus to his new deal instead.

PeteMoss · 07-13-2022, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

I wonder when Johnny will speak to the media, maybe thank the fans and the Flames organization, that kind of thing. Or is that not his style?

Probably some kind of ad in the newspaper or 'article' in the Players Tribune that no one will care about 2 days after they read it.

Owen15 · 07-13-2022, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathgod

It does matter, because the Flames assessed how good of a player he is and what he brings to the team, and decided that 10.5x8 was worth paying him. That assessment holds weight even now because it's a measurement of the calibre of player he is and how much he would improve any team he joins.

I think our bid was probably a million high and a year longer because of the optics of him leaving. I don’t think his value to any other team will be that high.

Johnny must be trying to leverage our offer against Philly and NJD. But I doubt they bite, he may be looking at closer to $20 million lost versus Calgarys offer.

Mathgod · 07-13-2022, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

That was his value to the Flames. What matters now is the offers that are currently on the table.

It's his value, period. He's costing himself millions by restricting which teams he's willing to sign with. Doesn't mean he's worth any less as a player, it just means he's artificially reducing the competition for his services and therefore lowering the amount he will ultimately get.

Sec214 · 07-13-2022, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

So what's the latest? He's got offers from the Islanders and Devils and it's down to those 2?

Nothing concert here, just speculation.

Preferred destination is Philly, I think their giving that org some time to sort out their cap mess without gutting the team.

Konecny or Provorov are the easiest guys to go but I do think philly wants avoid this if they can.

Philly preferers to move JVR but not at the cost of 23 first rounder. When they probably need 1 or 2 years of stability to get back into contention, this year could be bumpy and the division is stacked.

PeteMoss · 07-13-2022, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FanIn80

What I would have done, before the deadline, once it became clear he wasn't signing.

- Ask him for three teams he wants to sign with
- Call those teams
- Offer them a signed Gaudreau for 8 years instead of the 7 they would get
- Let each team know there are two other teams in the same picture
- Find out what each team would need to do to clear space
- Work out the best deal I can from amongst those teams
- Sign him for 8x11.5 and make the trade to the team with the best deal

Johnny gets to go where he wants and gets the term and $$ he would have from us.
The team gets Johnny for 8 years instead of 7 and some space for his contract.
We get something (picks, a cap dump, maybe a prospect) in return.

Do I live in a different universe than other people? Probably, but at least in my universe everyone wins.

Considering there is one team in the general area that has the cap space to make it happen - what is the motivation for NJ to make the trade.

Jay Random · 07-13-2022, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathgod

That assessment holds weight even now because it's a measurement of the calibre of player he is and how much he would improve any team he joins.

First of all, no player is worth the same amount to every team. It took years of roster turnover for the Flames to find the ideal linemates to maximize Gaudreau's potential. Now he has to start all over with a new team. You can't just drop a guy into a different roster with a different system and a different talent level and expect the same results.

Second, the Flames' offer was about getting Gaudreau to forgo free agency. Now he's a free agent and nobody needs to pay him to give it up

Third, he has painted himself into a corner where only three teams, and maybe only two, are in a position to bid on his services.

He has drastically restricted his market power.

TheIronMaiden · 07-13-2022, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by FanIn80

What I would have done, before the deadline, once it became clear he wasn't signing.

- Ask him for three teams he wants to sign with
- Call those teams
- Offer them a signed Gaudreau for 8 years instead of the 7 they would get
- Let each team know there are two other teams in the same picture
- Find out what each team would need to do to clear space
- Work out the best deal I can from amongst those teams
- Sign him for 8x11.5 and make the trade to the team with the best deal

Johnny gets to go where he wants and gets the term and $$ he would have from us.
The team gets Johnny for 8 years instead of 7 and some space for his contract.
We get something (picks, a cap dump, maybe a prospect) in return.

Do I live in a different universe than other people? Probably, but at least in my universe everyone wins.

I get the sense that there are not three teams he wants to sign with. If it is hinted that it is "not about the money". In which case, why would Philly give anything up if they were sure he was coming. Besides, no team wants to give him the 8th year. 7 years or less is almost certainly the preference.

Sec214 · 07-13-2022, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I get the sense that there are not three teams he wants to sign with. If it is hinted that it is "not about the money". In which case, why would Philly give anything up if they were sure he was coming. Besides, no team wants to give him the 8th year. 7 years or less is almost certainly the preference.

Nobody can offer him at 8 year deal currently.

CroFlames · 07-13-2022, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sec214

Nobody can offer him at 8 year deal currently.

Everyone knows that. The poster is saying nobody wants to give him 8, even if they could by trading for his rights.

Sec214 · 07-13-2022, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CroFlames

Everyone knows that. The poster is saying nobody wants to give him 8, even if they could by trading for his rights.

My apologies. I miss understood the statement, sorry.

Bingo · 07-13-2022, 02:03 PM

We really need a "dislike" button

DoubleK · 07-13-2022, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

We really need a "dislike" button

I like it

1qqaaz · 07-13-2022, 02:04 PM

https://twitter.com/user/status/1547286162095628288

How can Philly have the space

CroFlames · 07-13-2022, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

We really need a "dislike" button

I mean, you are the guy in charge

Hack&Lube · 07-13-2022, 02:06 PM

I think we need to use the core we have left, then promote the Stockton players that did extremely well last year to fill the gaps and to see if we can compete.

Tre's UFA signings in the past have never performed offensively (Coleman is a good all-rounder) so he definitely should not sign any aging vets to big contracts and we need to hope we can hold on for a partial rebuild.

Hack&Lube · 07-13-2022, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by FanIn80

What I would have done, before the deadline, once it became clear he wasn't signing.

- Ask him for three teams he wants to sign with
- Call those teams
- Offer them a signed Gaudreau for 8 years instead of the 7 they would get
- Let each team know there are two other teams in the same picture
- Find out what each team would need to do to clear space
- Work out the best deal I can from amongst those teams
- Sign him for 8x11.5 and make the trade to the team with the best deal

Johnny gets to go where he wants and gets the term and $$ he would have from us.
The team gets Johnny for 8 years instead of 7 and some space for his contract.
We get something (picks, a cap dump, maybe a prospect) in return.

Do I live in a different universe than other people? Probably, but at least in my universe everyone wins.

It sounds very much like Gaudreau himself was conflicted and couldn't say yes or no until the last minute. Again, it may be his family that tipped the scales in the final direction in the end.

At the same time, the Flames desperately wanted him back and couldn't show that they were prepared to move on.