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Angelino · 07-13-2022, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason14h

At the end of the day it "COULD" be a blessing in disguise longterm

If the Flames don't do something stupid now.

This is what most people are afraid of. The stupid now.

Could be a blessing if Calgary had a competent GM. Oh well……

Ozy_Flame · 07-13-2022, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by fleury

At the end of the day it’s a blessing in disguise. If he wanted an exorbitant amount to stay with the team it would be a terrible move long and short term. The most idea situation in hindsight was to deal him for assets but that’s 20/20. It’s now about what the Flames do. If Brad starts signing anyone to a big contract especially with a big term, you know ownership has their head up their butts. This team desperately needs to draft a new core and the time to start is now. Retooling when Malkin is off the table is a terrible idea and only puts off the inevitable. Start now in a good draft year.

Personally I feel the Gaudreau money is better spent on two quality players at half his price, especially two that may have gone deeper in the playoffs. I'd rather a balanced lineup that spreads great talent around the ice rather than one spectacular talent expected to do a lot on his own.

The Cobra · 07-13-2022, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Personally I feel the Gaudreau money is better spent on two quality players at half his price, especially two that may have gone deeper in the playoffs.

And who are those two players waiting to come to Calgary?

Aarongavey · 07-13-2022, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Personally I feel the Gaudreau money is better spent on two quality players at half his price, especially two that may have gone deeper in the playoffs. I'd rather a balanced lineup that spreads great talent around the ice rather than one spectacular talent expected to do a lot on his own.

Who are those two 5.5 million dollar players that score 60+ points each, have playoff experience and are available without giving up significant assets?

Flamesfan05 · 07-13-2022, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

And who are those two players waiting to come to Calgary?

Coleman had 2 cups

We have to overpay for underwhelmed talent

-TC- · 07-13-2022, 07:36 AM

Family first. That's the deal.

I don't fault John for his decision, nor am I angry.

He did what's best for him and his loved ones, that's all you can ask of a man.

Thanks John, it was a blessing to watch you for 8 years. All the best.

And, being a Dad is the best thing that will ever happen to you.

Ozy_Flame · 07-13-2022, 07:38 AM

I'm sure there are two quality players available as UFA's that can help fill part or most of that void. Ask Brad who he would pick up, I'm assuming he'd have a great answer for you.

Flamesfan05 · 07-13-2022, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Personally I feel the Gaudreau money is better spent on two quality players at half his price, especially two that may have gone deeper in the playoffs. I'd rather a balanced lineup that spreads great talent around the ice rather than one spectacular talent expected to do a lot on his own.

I don’t disagree. Johnny can be shut down easily in the playoffs like the Oilers did. If I remembered correctly after Kane said they would go after him if we touch McDavid. Or maybe he just didn’t care about winning here. Maybe he found some playoff passion with the Flyers.

And yes I know he had a half decent playoff against Dallas on his contract year

Aarongavey · 07-13-2022, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I'm sure there are two quality players available as UFA's that can help fill part or most of that void. Ask Brad who he would pick up, I'm assuming he'd have a great answer for you.

Ya those players do not exist on the UFA market, not for that price. There is not a lot of talent on the UFA market as a general rule because most teams sign the valuable players before they become UFA’s.

dammage79 · 07-13-2022, 07:41 AM

Well, I'm gonna go ahead and say I'm looking forward to what comes next. Johnny was a star here but it doesn't matter now.

What matters is that the Flames absolutely pick a direction and get it right. Can they? Who TF knows right now. But I'm keen to watch it unfold.

Oh blah dee, oh blah dah, life goes on yeah! LA lala lala life goes on.

Bingo · 07-13-2022, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Should have locked him up last summer instead of ####ing around. They lost Gaudreau when the season started with no contract. That’s 100% Treliving’s fault. He gambled and lost despite what his supporters are saying.

Round and a round we go.

Fire Treliving for sure if any of the following are true ...

1) He told the ownership group to reject the Gaudreau offer last year even though they were in support of getting it done.
2) He told the ownership group not to worry, the kid was going to have a brutal year and his value was going to come off
3) He told the ownership group he was going to sign this summer, no issues.

They probably don't fire Treliving if they were kept apprised of the situation and made a decision as a group with all parties fully understanding the risks.

Proclamations for firing someone without knowing who made what decision is just silliness in my mind.

But luckily the proof will be in the pudding. When he isn't fired this summer we will see that the ownership group doesn't see this as a performance issue, but the way the system works with all the risks understood.

Stay tuned!

kyuss275 · 07-13-2022, 07:42 AM

Finally watched the Tre presser. Got the feeling with Tre answer and body language that plan b is probably out the window and flames are now working on plan c

Yoho · 07-13-2022, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by -TC-

Family first. That's the deal.

I don't fault John for his decision, nor am I angry.

He did what's best for him and his loved ones, that's all you can ask of a man.

Thanks John, it was a blessing to watch you for 8 years. All the best.

And, being a Dad is the best thing that will ever happen to you.

Barf …. Sorry

Ozy_Flame · 07-13-2022, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Ya those players do not exist on the UFA market, not for that price. There is not a lot of talent on the UFA market as a general rule because most teams sign the valuable players before they become UFA’s.

Johnny was probably offered double digits per year to stay. You don't think there's players in the 5-6 mil range that can help this team? Heck, even the Oilers were able to get Kane at that rate. Personal problems aside, that's the kind of deals we need to be looking at to replace guys like Johnny.

Aarongavey · 07-13-2022, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Round and a round we go.

Fire Treliving for sure if any of the following are true ...

1) He told the ownership group to reject the Gaudreau offer last year even though they were in support of getting it done.
2) He told the ownership group not to worry, the kid was going to have a brutal year and his value was going to come off
3) He told the ownership group he was going to sign this summer, no issues.

They probably don't fire Treliving if they were kept apprised of the situation and made a decision as a group with all parties fully understanding the risks.

Proclamations for firing someone without knowing who made what decision is just silliness in my mind.

But luckily the proof will be in the pudding. When he isn't fired this summer we will see that the ownership group doesn't see this as a performance issue, but the way the system works with all the risks understood.

Stay tuned!

This is 100 percent why Brad will stay, he knows how to manage up. When Murray said Sutter is the coach, Sutter became the coach. When Murray said how he wanted to handle Gaudreau, Brad handled Gaudreau that way. I totally agree that he will remain as the GM.

direwolf · 07-13-2022, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

Finally watched the Tre presser. Got the feeling with Tre answer and body language that plan b is probably out the window and flames are now working on plan c

I highly doubt that. Flames have a plan B. They're just not telling you what it is yet.

Yoho · 07-13-2022, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by direwolf

I highly doubt that. Flames have a plan B. They're just not telling you what it is yet.

If it’s not rebuild we are in trouble.

Bingo · 07-13-2022, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

This is 100 percent why Brad will stay, he knows how to manage up. When Murray said Sutter is the coach, Sutter became the coach. When Murray said how he wanted to handle Gaudreau, Brad handled Gaudreau that way. I totally agree that he will remain as the GM.

You think ownership being kept up to date on what's happening and weighing in / approving or disproving big moves is unique to Calgary / Brad Treliving?

Number 39 · 07-13-2022, 07:57 AM

I'll be honest here, I wasn't as emotionally invested in Johnny as some and in my heart of hearts I don't think you go deep in the playoffs with him eating up double digits of your cap.

If he was a big, dynamic centreman i'd feel differently. We've tried building around wingers and it just doesn't work. I know its not realistic but I guess I'm on team tank for a drafting an elite centreman to build around.

Also, I hate to say it but it seems like we might be better off targeting CND kids who want to be here. I'm personally sick of the narrative of fear of losing US talent.

Vinny01 · 07-13-2022, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

This is 100 percent why Brad will stay, he knows how to manage up. When Murray said Sutter is the coach, Sutter became the coach. When Murray said how he wanted to handle Gaudreau, Brad handled Gaudreau that way. I totally agree that he will remain as the GM.

You ever worked for a boss before?