Seravalli: Gaudreau has informed the Flames he will not return

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

That is a strawman.

The higher you draft, the more options you have.

Even if you lose the lottery, the draft order is still determined by inverse record.


The Flames arguably have a better amateur scouting history relative to their draft position than the Avs over the last decade or so. They HAVE found steals in later rounds... star level talents like Gaudreau, Mangiapane, Kylington, Andersson, Brodie, Giordano... this is high praise of their drafting.

But they don't have the better absolute draft history for the simple reason that the Avs picked in the top ten of the first round multiple years.

In 2009 - Duchene vs [no pick, traded for Jokinen]
In 2011 - Landeskog vs Baertschi
In 2013 - MacKinnon vs Monahan
In 2015 - Rantanen vs [no pick, traded for Hamilton]
In 2017 - Makar vs Valimaki
In 2018 - Bowen Byram vs [no pick, traded for Hamonic]


In the above list, the Avs indeed made the playoffs in 2018. But you'll recall that pick was the return on the Matt Duchene trade.

We have never given Tod Button six top ten picks in a nine year span.

You want to suck for 9 years in hopes of that happening? And the they were going nowhere after all that until Makar.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Gaudreau should have informed the team of his intentions at the end of the season.

Everyone would have understood.

The way this has played out has set the team back years.

He owed the team and the city better than that.

No he didn't. He owed the team nothing. Look what he gave your team over the years. He's paid them back fully for everything he's been given, and more.

The Flames believed in the player when they got him, but a lot of how he turned out was because of his own talent and hard work.

I'll agree it would have been preferable for the Flames if he decided sooner, but he owed them nothing. It's a business and teams don't show much loyalty to players, so I don't know why so many people expect players to bow down to the needs of the team.

[Royle9]

I dont blame Brad for Johnny leaving, he should have done everything to extend him before the start of this season but it didn't happen nor do I think 3/4 of CP would have been okay with Johnny signing a 8x10.5 after the year before.

Didnt happen, he has a career year and you simply cant flip him at the deadline, so it was inevitable that this could happen.

I DO blame Brad for poor asset management in general though.

I DO NOT want Brad leading us through a re-build, and I do think we need to go that route. Starting with Matthew, you need to see what you can get and move from there.

Lindholm
Tkachuk
Markstrom
Hanifin
Tanev
Mangiapane

These are all PRIME assets that could help jumpstart a re-build for the flames.
Our window has closed, any attempt to try and keep it open is foolish beyond belief.

But as far as GM goes I think its time to look elsewhere if we're rebuilding and we should.

I dont think Sutter wants to coach a re-build so I respect his decision to move on if thats the case.

[Imported_Aussie]

We as fans will probably never know the full story. Did Gaudreau mislead the flames, or was he agonizing over whether he should stay or go home?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by devo22

he means that the Flames didn't trade him because Johnny gave them the impression that he'd re-sign.

You can't believe his word. If that were true he would have re-signed last year. Brad got played.

[Bonded]

I think Treliving legitimately thought it was done basis his presser

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

We as fans will probably never know the full story. Did Gaudreau mislead the flames, or was he agonizing over whether he should stay or go home?

I think it's more the latter but again, should have never got this far.

[Ozy_Flame]

I'd like to think Brad wasn't that dumb. You don't put all of your eggs in the basket without pen to paper. Any businessman knows that.

If he got a verbal impressions from Gaudreau's camp that he would re-sign, and put blind faith in that promise, then he got caught like a rookie with his pants down.

I'm really hoping that wasn't the case.

[calgaryfox]

Originally Posted by devo22

he means that the Flames didn't trade him because Johnny gave them the impression that he'd re-sign.

“Believe nothing you hear, and only one half that you see.”

― Edgar Allan Poe

[The Cobra]

The Flames did not re-sign Johnny last year when the presumably could have because Johnny wasn't happy with the numbers because he hadn't had a great year. Calgary had their chance. Johnny bet on himself and won the jackpot.

Since that time he got married with a kid on the way, which likely has changed his perspective.

I do truly believe he was very conflicted about leaving;hence the long wait to find out.

At the end of the day, what has the wait cost Calgary?

His rights were never worth anything.

I guess they could have traded Tkachuk sooner, but they have lots of time to do that.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I'd like to think Brad wasn't that dumb. You don't put all of your eggs in the basket without pen to paper. Any businessman knows that.

If he got a verbal impressions from Gaudreau's camp that he would re-sign, and put blind faith in that promise, then he got caught like a rookie with his pants down.

I'm really hoping that wasn't the case.

We weren’t replacing Gaudreau in any capacity.

If you think you have a chance to sign him, you go all in. I’d be much more pissed today had the flames penny pinched him and he got paid more elsewhere.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

We as fans will probably never know the full story. Did Gaudreau mislead the flames, or was he agonizing over whether he should stay or go home?

I'm going with agonizing.
I'm sure part of the lure to leave was also being able to be anonymous.
I bet his wife didn't want the family to remain in the fishbowl.

[Azure]

I don't think Johnny needs to lead the Flames along till the last hour to drive up his price.

Other teams will do that just fine.

I really think it was a very tough decision to make.

Was it fair? Probably not. He could have given himself a week ago deadline to make the decision.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

We weren’t replacing Gaudreau in any capacity.

If you think you have a chance to sign him, you go all in. I’d be much more pissed today had the flames penny pinched him and he got paid more elsewhere.

Either you don't replace Gaudreau in an capacity, or you don't replace Gaudreau in any capacity but at least have time to formulate a Plan B.

It seems pretty obvious the world was offered to Gaudreau, and I can imagine that was made pretty clear up front given his franchise player status on the team. If that didn't seal the deal early on, then you best find another option, not wait until verbal hemming and hawing becomes a "no".

Gaudreau could have been more clear about his intentions, but I think Brad should have made his best offer a week ago and said to Gaudreau taht's as good as it gets. Waiting until the last minute is a mistake on both their ends.

Business 101.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Azure

I don't think Johnny needs to lead the Flames along till the last hour to drive up his price.

Other teams will do that just fine.

I really think it was a very tough decision to make.

Was it fair? Probably not. He could have given himself a week ago deadline to make the decision.

Both sides probably could have given a deadline of draft day.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Azure

I don't think Johnny needs to lead the Flames along till the last hour to drive up his price.

Other teams will do that just fine.

I really think it was a very tough decision to make.

Was it fair? Probably not. He could have given himself a week ago deadline to make the decision.

Im more of the belief that Gross is the one that convinced JG to wait til the last minute, its a pattern with him and his players in negotiations. Its his job to put his client in the most advantageous spot after all.

I would imagine the Gaudreaus made a decision a few weeks after decrompressing from the season.

[bluejays]

At the end of the day it’s a blessing in disguise. If he wanted an exorbitant amount to stay with the team it would be a terrible move long and short term. The most idea situation in hindsight was to deal him for assets but that’s 20/20. It’s now about what the Flames do. If Brad starts signing anyone to a big contract especially with a big term, you know ownership has their head up their butts. This team desperately needs to draft a new core and the time to start is now. Retooling when Malkin is off the table is a terrible idea and only puts off the inevitable. Start now in a good draft year.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by fleury

At the end of the day it’s a blessing in disguise. If he wanted an exorbitant amount to stay with the team it would be a terrible move long and short term. The most idea situation in hindsight was to deal him for assets but that’s 20/20. It’s now about what the Flames do. If Brad starts signing anyone to a big contract especially with a big term, you know ownership has their head up their butts. This team desperately needs to draft a new core and the time to start is now. Retooling when Malkin is off the table is a terrible idea and only puts off the inevitable. Start now in a good draft year.

At the end of the day it "COULD" be a blessing in disguise longterm

If the Flames don't do something stupid now.

This is what most people are afraid of. The stupid now.

[Madman]

As others have said, no one player is above the jersey.

Soooo....

NSFW!

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

At the end of the day it "COULD" be a blessing in disguise longterm

If the Flames don't do something stupid now.

This is what most people are afraid of. The stupid now.

Definitely.