Seravalli: Gaudreau has informed the Flames he will not return

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Officially 12 more hours.

The Flames ability to sign him to an 8 year deal ended 29 minutes ago.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I'm not spinning anything. This is basic statistics. Nine-tenths of the champions come from a group that inclludes nine-tenths of the teams… which is exactly what you would expect if the group is chosen completely at random. The data give no reason to reject the null hypothesis.

Here are some far more basic statistics:


Source: Byron Bader

[united]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

New arena deal cancelled. Get spanked by our biggest rival in the playoffs. Best player since Iginla leaves.

Hell of a run we’ve been on here.

The only team in the league with no 1st round pick + just one pick in the first four rounds at the draft too.

[Sofa GM]

Holy moly boys…… calm the F down…… watch what might be a blessing in disguise

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Get real. Yes, the Hamonic trade was bad, but this was not in any stretch of the imagination the difference between a perennial winner and the 2022 Flames.

Again, it requires draft capital and incredibly good luck. Avoiding the Hamonic trade would have been the better decision, but not nearly as good as people imagine.

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Honest question...does anything the Flames do ever upset you?

[littlereddevil]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

See I think the rebuild is precisely the philosophy that gives the best chance of ending this never-ending loop of mediocrity, it's just one that this franchise has lacked the patience to fully see through. It's unprecedented that in our franchise's history we've not had a top 3 draft pick. You can't plan for it on any one given year, but properly bottoming out for a few seasons, especially when there's no foreseeable path to championship-level talent otherwise, I don't know how you feasibly acquire it. I guess I don't buy the defeatist view that our fate is to just exist as a north of the 49th parallel, 'make up the numbers in the league' franchise.

Why is Edmonton not doomed to this same fate? Just because they had some lottery balls bounce their way and we're the unlucky neighbor to the south?

You can't plan to have Edmonton's historic lottery luck, but I am a firm believer you build with top-level talent and that's done through the draft. There's not a foreseeable path to this roster as constructed becoming a cup contender, and that's enough reason for me to say enough's enough, it's time to reset and give ourselves a chance to take another crack at building a championship roster through a rebuild.

The difference between us and Edmonton is that they actually have ownership who will do whatever it takes to keep the team competitive (i.e. paying their stars and keeping them happy), and was willing to let the team suck for many years (with multiple high picks squandered) in order to get them there.

We can hate on the Oilers all we want because they're our rivals, but maybe it's time that we learn from them, instead of adopting this superiority complex thinking we've somehow done things better than them (we haven't). Not saying that the Flames have to go through a sucky 10 year rebuild, but that some very important organizational decisions (from both management and ownership) will need to be made in the coming months to determine the direction this team is heading in the next few years. Are we contenders or not? Can we realistically win with this current core, and get over the hump of beating the Oilers (or the Avs or Knights) in the playoffs, or should we rebuild?

IMO what happens in the next few months during this off-season will dictate how this team is run for the next 4 to 5 years. Everything else will then follow, like a new arena deal, finding players who actually want to play here, etc.

[Mephisto]

Originally Posted by united

The only team in the league with no 1st round pick + just one pick in the first four rounds at the draft too.

I was ok with this - seemed like a mediocre draft. Next year different story.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by littlereddevil

The difference between us and Edmonton is that they actually have ownership who will do whatever it takes to keep the team competitive (i.e. paying their stars and keeping them happy), and was willing to let the team suck for many years (with multiple high picks squandered) in order to get them there.

We can hate on the Oilers all we want because they're our rivals, but maybe it's time that we learn from them, instead of adopting this superiority complex thinking we've somehow done things better than them (we haven't). Not saying that the Flames have to go through a sucky 10 year rebuild, but that some very important organizational decisions (from both management and ownership) will need to be made in the coming months to determine the direction this team is heading in the next few years. Are we contenders or not? Can we realistically win with this current core, and get over the hump of beating the Oilers (or the Avs or Knights) in the playoffs, or should we rebuild?

IMO what happens in the next few months during this off-season will dictate how this team is run for the next 4 to 5 years. Everything else will then follow, like a new arena deal, finding players who actually want to play here, etc.

No one can do what the Oilers did anymore. The NHL put in new draft rules literally because of the Oilers.

[Delthefunky]

imo we should have locked Johnny down for less $$ last year :/. Sucks to lose him, and I guess we can hope it is some blessing in disguise. I was sure by the rhetoric around here all season that this was just a matter of when. Will be interesting to here the details from both sides over the next few days.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by littlereddevil

The difference between us and Edmonton is that they actually have ownership who will do whatever it takes to keep the team competitive (i.e. paying their stars and keeping them happy), and was willing to let the team suck for many years (with multiple high picks squandered) in order to get them there.

We can hate on the Oilers all we want because they're our rivals, but maybe it's time that we learn from them, instead of adopting this superiority complex thinking we've somehow done things better than them (we haven't). Not saying that the Flames have to go through a sucky 10 year rebuild, but that some very important organizational decisions (from both management and ownership) will need to be made in the coming months to determine the direction this team is heading in the next few years. Are we contenders or not? Can we realistically win with this current core, and get over the hump of beating the Oilers (or the Avs or Knights) in the playoffs, or should we rebuild?

IMO what happens in the next few months during this off-season will dictate how this team is run for the next 4 to 5 years. Everything else will then follow, like a new arena deal, finding players who actually want to play here, etc.

This isn't the difference. Edmonton lucked into the best string of lottery balls in league history. So much so that the rules had to be changed. It was a no brainer to give mcdavid his league leading contract. Same with drysaitl. And with all of that, they've sucked harder than us except for this year's playoffs.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by littlereddevil

The difference between us and Edmonton is that they actually have ownership who will do whatever it takes to keep the team competitive (i.e. paying their stars and keeping them happy), and was willing to let the team suck for many years (with multiple high picks squandered) in order to get them there.

We can hate on the Oilers all we want because they're our rivals, but maybe it's time that we learn from them, instead of adopting this superiority complex thinking we've somehow done things better than them (we haven't). Not saying that the Flames have to go through a sucky 10 year rebuild, but that some very important organizational decisions (from both management and ownership) will need to be made in the coming months to determine the direction this team is heading in the next few years. Are we contenders or not? Can we realistically win with this current core, and get over the hump of beating the Oilers (or the Avs or Knights) in the playoffs, or should we rebuild?

IMO what happens in the next few months during this off-season will dictate how this team is run for the next 4 to 5 years. Everything else will then follow, like a new arena deal, finding players who actually want to play here, etc.

Wat? The Oilers owners never "let them suck for years" they did everything they could to win they just had terrible management and incredible luck

[TheIronMaiden]

A part of me is happy we wont be spending 11M on a 34 + year old JG. A part of me is bummed that we wont have 30 year old JG. I just hope the Flames dont trade in the cap flexibility for scrubs.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by littlereddevil

The difference between us and Edmonton is that they actually have ownership who will do whatever it takes to keep the team competitive (i.e. paying their stars and keeping them happy), and was willing to let the team suck for many years...

Just to be clear, here, this was NOT by design in Edmonton. They were on the rebuild train from 2010–12, after which the team, management, players, pundits and fans were all prepared to declare them ready to compete for the playoffs and championships. The problem is, the team was so bad, and everything management tried to do was so hilariously incompetent that they were rendered even worse. Their two best players were acquired with high picks that they stumbled into by accident, in years in which they were expecting to push for playoff seeding.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Boreal

The Flames ability to sign him to an 8 year deal ended 29 minutes ago.

Why was that even a factor.

If Gaudreau hadn’t signed by the time the Bell Centre was booing Gary, he was never going to re-sign.

That was the deadline.

It’s like thinking you still have a shot with a girl, on her wedding day, because the ceremony hasn’t started yet.

Fire this simp of a GM already.

[FlamesFanFromBC]

Blessing in disguise... I'm not sure top-loading a team is the right approach if the goal is the Stanley Cup.

No Stanley Cup winning team has ever had a player with an 8 figure contract player on the roster.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

New arena deal cancelled. Get spanked by our biggest rival in the playoffs. Best player since Iginla leaves.

Hell of a run we’ve been on here.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Like McDavid isn’t going to leave Edmonton when he hits UFA. Then it will be US doing the laughing.

McDavid signed an 8 year deal with the Oilers below max cap the moment after he was able (still had a year left on his ELC). It gave them 4 UFA years at a great cap hit.

Maybe we shouldn't be making fun of them.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanFromBC

Blessing in disguise... I'm not sure top-loading a team is the right approach if the goal is the Stanley Cup.

No Stanley Cup winning team has ever had a player with an 8 figure contract player on the roster.

Inflation will solve that ... Colorado sure has a pretty top-heavy team.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by chedder

This isn't the difference. Edmonton lucked into the best string of lottery balls in league history. So much so that the rules had to be changed. It was a no brainer to give mcdavid his league leading contract. Same with drysaitl. And with all of that, they've sucked harder than us except for this year's playoffs.

They got lucky in that they drafted first overall instead of 3rd or 4th overall for a few years. And in one year, got the lucky bounce of all lucky bounces and drafted McDavid.

But drafting in that top 5 range over the course of 3-4 seasons, odds are you'll form a pretty dynamic core that most competent management teams could weaponize into a strong team, maybe even a cup contender.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanFromBC

Blessing in disguise... I'm not sure top-loading a team is the right approach if the goal is the Stanley Cup.

No Stanley Cup winning team has ever had a player with an 8 figure contract player on the roster.

No Stanley Cup winning team had ever had a player with a $7MM...$8MM...$9MM contract on the roster. Swede, Finn, Russian. Foreign born captain. Until they did.