Seravalli: Gaudreau has informed the Flames he will not return

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

14 points in 12 games.

Game 7 OT winner
Clutch third period penalty shot goal in Game 4

He was good in these last playoffs. Not sure how that can be debated.

In the final almost 11 periods of the Edmonton series, he had 1 goal, 0 assists, and was -5. Quite a disappearing act when his team really needed him. And when you look at his playoff resume prior to 2022, it's rather ugly.

So yes he had some good moments in the Dallas series and 4 good periods vs the Oilers. But still I'd say he hasn't been much of a playoff performer overall.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Not only are you not reading what Jay Random is writing, relying on high draft picks is the epitome of relying on luck. You have to rely on the luck that your ball will be pulled out of a tumbler, with the best odds of getting #1 being around 25%. And then you're relying on more luck that the year you get that high pick is more like 2015 and less like 2012.

That is a strawman.

The higher you draft, the more options you have.

Even if you lose the lottery, the draft order is still determined by inverse record.


The Flames arguably have a better amateur scouting history relative to their draft position than the Avs over the last decade or so. They HAVE found steals in later rounds... star level talents like Gaudreau, Mangiapane, Kylington, Andersson, Brodie, Giordano... this is high praise of their drafting.

But they don't have the better absolute draft history for the simple reason that the Avs picked in the top ten of the first round multiple years.

In 2009 - Duchene vs [no pick, traded for Jokinen]
In 2011 - Landeskog vs Baertschi
In 2013 - MacKinnon vs Monahan
In 2015 - Rantanen vs [no pick, traded for Hamilton]
In 2017 - Makar vs Valimaki
In 2018 - Bowen Byram vs [no pick, traded for Hamonic]


In the above list, the Avs indeed made the playoffs in 2018. But you'll recall that pick was the return on the Matt Duchene trade.

We have never given Tod Button six top ten picks in a nine year span.

[troutman]

Save us Tij Iginla. You are our only hope.

[GreenLantern2814]

I don’t know everything, but I do know our next franchise player will be a winger, and he’ll wear #15.

Sure as the Oilers will collect 1st overall picks of varying success, sure as Vancouver insists on Swedish stars who can be confused for one another, we are going all in on a talented winger who can’t do it himself, but will certainly be asked to.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

14 points in 12 games.

Game 7 OT winner
Clutch third period penalty shot goal in Game 4

He was good in these last playoffs. Not sure how that can be debated.

He’s an amazing championship caliber winger. The problem is unlike COL or TB we don’t have a player to be the horse he can compliment. Plus 19 disappeared as well.

Make no mistake JG on COL is unstoppable, they would flatten everyone. Him in this team needing to acquire that horse isn’t happening at 11M. It should have happened at his current salary for us to have a chance.

I am shocked the Flames didn’t see that. It screams of making playoffs and hoping and not being honest and strategic.

Iginla should have tought them about leaving it in a players hands. Last minute control ripped away by a “sad” player. BTW Iginla back living here? oh right.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I don’t know everything, but I do know our next franchise player will be a winger, and he’ll wear #15.

He might wear 10 or 11, to bridge the gap between Iginla and McDonald.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

He’s an amazing championship caliber winger. The problem is unlike COL or TB we don’t have a player to be the horse he can compliment. Plus 19 disappeared as well.

Make no mistake JG on COL is unstoppable, they would flatten everyone. Him in this team needing to acquire that horse isn’t happening at 11M. It should have happened at his current salary for us to have a chance.

I am shocked the Flames didn’t see that. It screams of making playoffs and hoping and not being honest and strategic.

Iginla should have tought them about leaving it in a players hands. Last minute control ripped away by a “sad” player. BTW Iginla back living here? oh right.

Learn from history or be the Calgary Flames.

[Burning Beard]

I'm ok with a rebuild but looking at it honestly this team will never have the luck to get a top pick. When they try to rebuild the right way they end up with Sam "Stupid Penalty" Bennett and Sean "Seventeen Surgeries" Monahan as centre depth.

They still have an elite goalie (who needs to figure out how to play the Oilers), a young D-Core and the best coach in the game. Treliving has had a couple of good pivots so far (landing Lindholm) so I'd almost rather play it out and see what happens.

Interesting times as a fan. After the Covid season most wanted the old core broken up and here we are.

[NewFan]

Just my opinion, when I listen BT press, it sounds like BT very disappointed that Johnny's agent released the news that Johnny is officially going to FA. May be the Agent wanted to force BT to accept their counter proposal? And now BT doesn't want any talk with them.

[bax]

Really disappointed.

If you had the first overall pick you would be ecstatic if the player turned out to be as good as Gaudreau.

And now he’s gone.

Who knows the next time Calgary will land a player that good and fun to watch. This one stings.

[butterfly]

Bleh. Sad. I love you Johnny. I love you Flames. Wish we could have all stayed together.

[NewFan]

Originally Posted by troutman

Save us Tij Iginla. You are our only hope.

Is he Centre? I think we need find elite C and Elite D to build Championship Team.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

He might wear 10 or 11, to bridge the gap between Iginla and McDonald.

If we go 14-12-13 the next in line would logically be 11.

Which means we’re two years away from hope being any part of the horizon.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by NewFan

Just my opinion, when I listen BT press, it sounds like BT very disappointed that Johnny's agent released the news that Johnny is officially going to FA. May be the Agent wanted to force NT to accept their counter proposal? And now BT doesn't want any talk with them.

I don't think Johnny was accepting any number from the Flames. Either that or Flames wouldn't go over 10 million.

None of us will ever know the full story but I think Johnny wanted to go home and has known this for a while.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by fleury

I can honestly say I’m angry and a bit ticked off at Gaudreau. He could have been a little honest and instead did the worst possible by leveraging the Flames. No loyalty to the organization in any classy way. I say that’s on the agent more than anything but the agent is an extension of him. Perhaps a blessing in disguise but it also is an indicator of other players feelings toward management. Tkachuk is a goner I’d think. Flames have to do a calculated rebuild by dealing before the season begins to get the best chance of a high pick.

Or, he had to make a really hard emotional decision and he wanted to make sure it was the right one. That was probably the most difficult decision he’s had to make in his life so far.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I'm not spinning anything. This is basic statistics. Nine-tenths of the champions come from a group that inclludes nine-tenths of the teams… which is exactly what you would expect if the group is chosen completely at random. The data give no reason to reject the null hypothesis.



Deliberately destroying the team for a hope of maybe picking top 3 gives you worse odds than that.



There isn't any plan that will work. The Calgary Flames exist to make up the numbers in the league. They're a small-market team on the wrong side of the 49th parallel. There is no recipe that will guarantee the Stanley Cup to any team in any time frame, but the odds against it are longer for the Flames than for almost anyone else.

You can, if you wish, ‘cut your losses’ by changing to a philosophy that will make the team worse than mediocre for years to come. There isn't any philosophy that will overcome the odds and make the team consistently better than average. If there were, every team would adopt it and the advantage woud be gone.

See I think the rebuild is precisely the philosophy that gives the best chance of ending this never-ending loop of mediocrity, it's just one that this franchise has lacked the patience to fully see through. It's unprecedented that in our franchise's history we've not had a top 3 draft pick. You can't plan for it on any one given year, but properly bottoming out for a few seasons, especially when there's no foreseeable path to championship-level talent otherwise, I don't know how you feasibly acquire it. I guess I don't buy the defeatist view that our fate is to just exist as a north of the 49th parallel, 'make up the numbers in the league' franchise.

Why is Edmonton not doomed to this same fate? Just because they had some lottery balls bounce their way and we're the unlucky neighbor to the south?

You can't plan to have Edmonton's historic lottery luck, but I am a firm believer you build with top-level talent and that's done through the draft. There's not a foreseeable path to this roster as constructed becoming a cup contender, and that's enough reason for me to say enough's enough, it's time to reset and give ourselves a chance to take another crack at building a championship roster through a rebuild.

[Boreal]

He’s making a decision based on family & losing millions of dollars, chances of winning & being a legitimate legend who could make money on his name after he dies.

On one side I respect it, on the other side I think he’s a dope.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

This core has been stripped away mostly losing players for nothing. The last 3 years Brodie, Gio, Gaudreau gone.

This is definitely the one pattern that sucks. Is this a Tre problem, or ownership problem?

This franchise has done a terrible job at managing it's high value assets. That shouldn't be overlooked.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Boreal

He’s making a decision based on family & losing millions of dollars, chances of winning & being a legitimate legend who could make money on his name after he dies.

On one side I respect it, on the other side I think he’s a dope.

We have to see what he signs for and with who still .

[Manhattanboy]

Hoping some additional information comes out in the next day or two because none of it makes sense to me right now.

Am just devastated.

Is that the first stage? I suppose anger is not far behind.