I am just pointing out that this is precisely how the last rebuild was mapped out: potential franchise centres in Monahan and Bennett. Potential franchise defensemen in Hamilton, Fox, and Andersson.
I have no problem with rebuilding eventually, but people need to be wary that even "proper" rebuilds go off the rails more often than they do not.
Rebuilding is hard and it requires incredible luck. A GM cannot "position" his team to acquire franchise players—especially not with the draft lottery as it is carried out now. The best he can do is draft and develop the best players he can as often as he can, and take advantage of maximizing the value of his assets when the opportunity presents itself and it makes sense. Otherwise, there is no chance of winning a championship unless he is also incredibly lucky. TB got lucky. So did Colorado. So did Pittsburgh. So did Chicago.
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The proper rebuild including a first and two second round picks for Hamonic.
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Johnny was on the team before Sutter and (along with the rest of the rubes and dolts) missed the playoffs. A reliable PPG player over his career till last year.
I would be surprised if he continued his pace from last year under a different coach.
I also suspect the Flames won’t score quite as much… but will continue to win under Sutter.
A HOF coach makes a lot of difference. It’s about the team.
New arena deal cancelled. Get spanked by our biggest rival in the playoffs. Best player since Iginla leaves.
Hell of a run we’ve been on here.
This one will be a little more divisive, but I would add fan 960 seemingly falling apart to this list. Been a big part of my (Flames) life for a lot of years.
I am just pointing out that this is precisely how the last rebuild was mapped out: potential franchise centres in Monahan and Bennett. Potential franchise defensemen in Hamilton, Fox, and Andersson.
I have no problem with rebuilding eventually, but people need to be wary that even "proper" rebuilds go off the rails more often than they do not.
Rebuilding is hard and it requires incredible luck. A GM cannot "position" his team to acquire franchise players—especially not with the draft lottery as it is carried out now. The best he can do is draft and develop the best players he can as often as he can, and take advantage of maximizing the value of his assets when the opportunity presents itself and it makes sense. Otherwise, there is no chance of winning a championship unless he is also incredibly lucky. TB got lucky. So did Colorado. So did Pittsburgh. So did Chicago.
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I agree. Rebuilding ain't easy and you need luck too.
I think I'd like to see them give it another go though.
...aaaaand that's it. Time up. Johnny officially a UFA.
Not until noon Eastern time. He just can't get an 8-year deal from anyone now.
Of course, those extra 12 hours make no practical difference when we already know he's leaving. It's a technicality that might be important in other cases, but not in this one.
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The proper rebuild including a first and two second round picks for Hamonic.
Get real. Yes, the Hamonic trade was bad, but this was not in any stretch of the imagination the difference between a perennial winner and the 2022 Flames.
Again, it requires draft capital and incredibly good luck. Avoiding the Hamonic trade would have been the better decision, but not nearly as good as people imagine.
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Canadian taxes. Burke said as much in his book. MLSE just gets a blank cheque hence all the 10m plus contracts
The Leafs aren't exempt from the salary cap. All those fat contracts are paid for by filling out the bottom of the roster with some really bad players.
They can compete for top talent, but only by making themselves less competitive as a team.
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I gotta be honest, I’m livid with Tre and JG over this, but I’m also mad at all the people who told me I was an idiot for thinking that Johnny would be leaving, even 2 years ago. He was NEVER going to sign with us-Francis was right. All I heard was stuff like, “Johnny says he likes Calgary”, “Johnny says he’s open to an extension”, “so what, Johnny is just lying to us?”. On the other hand, Tre should have known this years ago, and acted accordingly.
Yup. Some of these guys are awfully silent right now. From 1% chance he leaves guy telling everyone they were idiots for thinking Johnny might leave to others saying if you think Johnny will leave you're just a downer and like misery.
No, we were just realists. This was always a coin toss at best.
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Get real. Yes, the Hamonic trade was bad, but this was not in any stretch of the imagination the difference between a perennial winner and the 2022 Flames.
Again, it requires draft capital and incredibly good luck. Avoiding the Hamonic trade would have been the better decision, but not nearly as good as people imagine.
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The cap space and picks could have made a massive difference .
We’ll never know what could have been - but it was a giant swing and miss
Still can't believe it. I thought when Steinberg announced today that JG had countered Flames last proposal that this would get done. My optimism clouded the signs and I definitely didn't want to believe what blowhards like Francis and Nault were spewing all the time.
Don't know where they go from here - definitely have to find out if Tkachuk will stay long-term. Not even sure that's the right move? If we blow it up and miss on top 2 next year could be in for a decade of pain (not that either of those 2 will guarantee success either). No arena on the horizon, Oilers peaking, etc.
How has that worked out for a historically mediocre, small market Canadian team?
Edmonton, Montreal and Toronto are probably the most recent examples.
Edmonton seems to perpetually mess things up even with star players. How many #1 overall picks did they need until they finally landed McDavid? Remember Yakupov? Heck, they even messed up the development of Taylor Hall who ended up going to New Jersey and putting up MVP numbers.
Montreal doesn't seem to know what they're doing. One year, they're riding Carey Price to the SC Finals and other years they're near the bottom of the league.
Toronto you could argue started their rebuild properly, but in how many years will Auston Mathews leave them once he realizes he'll never win with Toronto? How many overpaid players did they end up with just to transform themselves into a team that can't even get out of the 1st round of the playoffs?
If the larger Canadian markets can't seem to do a rebuild properly, do you think a smaller market Canadian team like Calgary, Vancouver or Ottawa could have more success?
There's a huge element of luck behind rebuilds. Sometimes it really comes down to timing, hitting the right draft years and having players hit their stride and perform at their best when they cost the least to the salary cap. Sometimes it takes patience and dealing with multiple ups and downs, something I imagine many Oilers fans can attest to. How many years of suffering did it take until they finally made it to the Western Conference finals?
Because we can't compete with the allure of large metro areas, especially in the states, to any large degree.
It's no accident that a Canadian team hasnt won the Stanley Cup since the US sunbelt expansion started in earnest. Suddenly you have a plethora of warm weather us cities that in general (in general, not for everyone but overall, before someone gets triggered) are much more attractive to players. And then it doesn't help that most of those markets have no state tax component as well. If I'm Murray Edwards I'm seriously pushing at the next CBA for salary cap or compensation benefits unique to Canadian teams to try and overcome the immense geographical challenges we face. Yes, it's kind of commie, but the data is in. If I'm gonna own a team in this league then I can't keep getting my lunch eaten and hardwork down the drain because Tampa has no state tax and beautiful weather and the Flyers only have to get on a plane once every two weeks. F that
Agreed. And really how difficult would it be to have a pot of money that comes off players that compensates those in Canadian markets who have a higher tax base? So you get your salary as normal and then the median tax rate of the league is paid to you to compensate for the difference.
Blasphemy around here I know, but a sort of an NHL equalization fund.
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