Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

I’m kinda hoping he’s St.Louis bound for Kyrou +

Show me 2023 1st round picks.

We need them all. Collect all those 2023 1st round picks.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Locke

Its a little late for a Welfare check!!

Dammit, we covered this. It's called a wellness check now.

[SirPsychoSexy]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

If the second overall was available for chucky maybe they should have taken it. More poor GM decisions.

Isn't the 2nd overall pick still available for Chucky? Can't the Devils just trade who they picked at #2 (among other pieces)? Why is it poor GM-ing if the pick has already been used? (Understanding that the Flames could have picked Wright).

[nik-]

Originally Posted by agulati

Don’t ever buy another named jersey. Maybe don’t ever buy another jersey. Don’t want to take the risk of a blank jersey leading to the team moving out.

Or buy a Treliving jersey.

[Jiffy Loob]

Kyrou, Milano, Trochek...picks.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by agulati

Don’t ever buy another named jersey. Maybe don’t ever buy another jersey. Don’t want to take the risk of a blank jersey leading to the team moving out.

Look here....I made it very clear, I am a Flames fan, people gave the Jerseys to me as gifts. I cant control that!!

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Dammit, we covered this. It's called a wellness check now.

I cant keep up in this topsy-turvy world of constantly fluctuating nomenclature.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by nik-

Or buy a Treliving jersey.

As they've all been gifts I am open to contributions. Maybe I could start a GoFundMe?

[Ashasx]

Steinberg thinks the Flames will still try to compete, not rebuild.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Steinberg thinks the Flames will still try to compete, not rebuild.

It's the reasonable opinion. This organization doesn't know how to build a Championship team, so naturally they will not rebuild.

[Duffalufagus]

Idiots if they don’t trade Tkachuk this off-season.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Steinberg thinks the Flames will still try to compete, not rebuild.

Foolish, as I just posted in the other thread, the team this season was s a one line team.

Here are Johnny’s season splits between wins and losses.


In Wins:
50gm - 32g - 61a - 93p

In Losses:
21gm - 5g - 8a - 13p

In OTL:
11gm - 3g - 6a - 9p


Just look at how reliant this team was on Johnny’s line just to win games. There’s an extremely high correlation between Johnny’s production and the competitiveness of this team.

The Flames need to be smart and jumpstart a rebuild ASAP. Don’t go all 2010-2013 Flames and then rebuild years later. Rebuild, try to get Bedard and make the rebuild quick. Don’t drag out the inevitable.

[Moneyhands23]

I hope they don't move the 2023 1st for Miller. That's my biggest fear right now

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Steinberg thinks the Flames will still try to compete, not rebuild.

I mean he's not wrong, everyone thinks that's their game plan. Not everyone agrees its a good idea, but they didn't rebuild properly after Iginla, why would they do it now.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

You're right. It's more stupidity than anything. It is a consistent behavior with this team and why it continues to be mediocre. Building something sustainable is beyond their understanding or comprehension.

This just in from Lanny: Trying to win hockey games is stupid!

[Strange Brew]

So in his presser did anyone ask BT if there was a formal proposal from the Gaudreau camp that the Flames simply wouldn’t meet?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Tomorrow they let you know what they got

They got absolutely nothing. Whatever deal Gaudreau negotiates with another team, it has nothing to do with what the Flames did or did not offer. That offer is gone, that negotiation is over. Nobody is giving him more money because he refused to take it from Calgary.

But regardless, you don’t lose your franchise player for nothing and you don’t get paralyzed waiting this long. He was a fool.

It was Gaudreau's decision. That's what free agency means. SOME team was going to lose him for nothing – unless they traded him to Philly, which had no incentive to give up any assets to acquire him.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So in his presser did anyone ask BT if there was a formal proposal from the Gaudreau camp that the Flames simply wouldn’t meet?

Not that I heard, the closest question was (paraphrasing):

"Were there multiple offers back and forth during discussions?"

And Treliving dodged it saying he doesn't discuss salary and contracts publicly.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It's the reasonable opinion. This organization doesn't know how to build a Championship team, so naturally they will not rebuild.

Nobody actually knows how to build a championship team. You don't make it through four rounds of playoffs without luck, and there is no recipe for luck.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Foolish, as I just posted in the other thread, the team this season was s a one line team.

Here are Johnny’s season splits between wins and losses.


In Wins:
50gm - 32g - 61a - 93p

In Losses:
21gm - 5g - 8a - 13p

In OTL:
11gm - 3g - 6a - 9p


Just look at how reliant this team was on Johnny’s line just to win games. There’s an extremely high correlation between Johnny’s production and the competitiveness of this team.

The Flames need to be smart and jumpstart a rebuild ASAP. Don’t go all 2010-2013 Flames and then rebuild years later. Rebuild, try to get Bedard and make the rebuild quick. Don’t drag out the inevitable.

The draft is a lottery… you don’t try to get a player… you fail to give yourself more lottery balls. There is lots of cap space and assets to bring in players. Hell I think if you add Kadri and Kane you become faster and tougher to play against

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Nobody actually knows how to build a championship team. You don't make it through four rounds of playoffs without luck, and there is no recipe for luck.

Yeah, you 100% need luck. You also need to be very good to put yourself in a position to get lucky and get on one of those runs.

How are teams consistently good? By having a foundation built on high end picks.

I'm showing you there is at least a foundation that the recipe is built on by showing similarities between Championship teams. There is no guarantees in anything, but man...if you truly believe it's just luck? I don't know, I don't get the appeal of the sport at all then.