I just saw the presser (it's available on the NHL app) and I actually feel better seeing Treliving speak about it. Despite him obviously being disappointed, he's clearly not going to make any dumb moves or knee jerk reactions after losing Johnny.
That’s because he doesn’t know what Tkachuk is going to do. I sincerely doubt they will figure that out before 9am tomorrow. I have no doubt in my mind if he knew Tkachuk was staying long term he would be trying to spend most of his cap money when 9am hits
I'm wishing you
You never said you were pretending
I'm wishing you
You feel the same and just come back to me
I need you and when you go go go go
I know
It never ends
Never ends
When it's over
Can I still come over
And when it's over
Is it really over
Interesting though for BT to have a presser with the timing he did.
And an emotional one at that, doesn't sound like had a lot of time to contemplate things or sleep on it, and still had red eyes. Seemed sudden and while we appreciate to hear it up front, strikes me as a bit odd.
So why tonight and not tomorrow evening after the FA rush for the day is over and JG had a new (maybe) home?
Is there any chance anything he said or the immediate reaction to this has any chance to away JG to feel some sort of guilt or sadness as well and reconsider?
To be clear, not clinging onto hope for that or have even the slightest thought it will occur, but the presser timing and suddeness seemed a bit out of character and had to be more then just to let the fans and media know directly.
Or could've been to control the message...I fully expect a full page "Thank you" from Johnny on the paper and the Flames website in the coming days and rather the Flames letter to be first to report it.
Anyways...
No it wasn’t a message to Gaudreau for him to reconsider.
Should Coulda Woulda... You stand where you stand today. Your best player on the roster is moving on. He was the heartbeat of this group. Hence why people were fine throwing 11x8 +++ at Johnny to keep him here.
Retain anything you need to for 2 years, hard sell. Conor Bedard is no joke, his basement is Mackinnon. Ask oiler fans if its painful having Connor McDavid and Draisaitl. Ask Toronto if it hurts watching Matthews and Marner every night.
Gamble hard. The NHL is a business. The new arena + Bedard in Calgary can come together. EVERYONE in this city will forget Johnny quickly. You can build around that. Revenue sharing prevents any real damage for the owners. Dome at 30% is still more revenue than Arizona, think about that.
Anyone on good contract is extremely valuable to other teams.
Markstrom - Edmonton? Toronto? Vegas? Vezina Trophy Finalist don't become available everyday. You can retain, some of these teams view this as their biggest hole. We have Dustin Wolfe cooking and he's ahead of schedule in development folks.
Lindholm - 4.85 2 more years. Selke runner up? Sure looks like he could plug alot of holes in NYR, Tampa, Boston, Pittsburg, LA
Hanifin - 4.95 2 more years. Minute Chewing responsible LD, Provides decent offence but is paid to chew minutes.
Tkachuk- 9 Million RFA 1 year to UFA, maybe the most valuable asset in the org. He just wants to get paid and to be in the USA.The family is basically a mini-NHL franchise owner complete with its own road show.
Dont forget the likes of Tanev, Coleman, Toffoli all could plug holes on teams and cap space can be weaponized. 26 Million today with no Chucky signed.
Now is not the time to spend that on the Palats, Kadri, Trochek of the world.
This is exactly what I would expect a savvy organization to think going forward, our guys though?
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You need top-3 picks, and you need to be one of the best managed teams in the league.
You can do one without the other and you'll win nothing.
Yet 12% of those Cup-winning teams did NOT have a top-3 pick. How do you explain that? By your theory, they should have won nothing.
The fact is, MOST teams, winners and losers alike, have at least one top-3 pick on the roster. It's irrelevant to winning. It's no truer than the old superstition that teams with European captains couldn't win the Stanley Cup, which was formed in the days when hardly any NHL teams had European captains. Well, if you eliminate 90% of the teams from consideration, you'll probably eliminate 90% of the championships, too. That's how these things work – when there is no correlation.
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"Good teams don't win Stanley Cups because not all good teams win the Stanley Cup"
Nothing to do with what I said, but you cling to that narrative and ignore everything else. You appear to be good at that.
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Yet 12% of those Cup-winning teams did NOT have a top-3 pick. How do you explain that? By your theory, they should have won nothing.
The fact is, MOST teams, winners and losers alike, have at least one top-3 pick on the roster. It's irrelevant to winning. It's no truer than the old superstition that teams with European captains couldn't win the Stanley Cup, which was formed in the days when hardly any NHL teams had European captains. Well, if you eliminate 90% of the teams from consideration, you'll probably eliminate 90% of the championships, too. That's how these things work – when there is no correlation.
Nothing to do with what I said, but you cling to that narrative and ignore everything else. You appear to be good at that.
Ok, fine, but could either of those teams have won if their best player walked prior?
The thing people are arguing is that it would be next to impossible to build your way to a championship team post best player walking. They gave it their shot to try to be Boston or St Louis, didn’t happen with their best core player. With him gone, it is just a fool’s errand to try to be that long shot that might somehow do it against all odds. Our better odds are leveraging assets, building back through the draft and prospects attained.
I think the person who comes off looking worst from this is actually Lewis Gross. He should have worked with his player early and insisted on a clear answer on where JG wanted to live and play. If -- and only if -- what Tre said was true...that it was about family...then Gross and JG must have had a pretty good idea that was the case some time back.
I suspect Gross will find it very hard to move forward with players and GMs in the future as the GMs will lose any faith that he bargains in good faith. At the very least, GMs will be quite wary and protect themselves in the wake of this.
(Odd as I just read a Court case about a failure to negotiate in good faith.)
Treliving should have MT on the phone right now giving him a number and a deadline.
Tkachuk is in Greece w his family right now according to social media
My opinion. Give tkachuk a hard and firm long term offer. 8 years, 9.5 mill say. Take it or leave it. Then if he only goes for his 1 year, sell him to the highest bidder after. Get great prospects, players and picks.
Yet 12% of those Cup-winning teams did NOT have a top-3 pick. How do you explain that? By your theory, they should have won nothing.
The fact is, MOST teams, winners and losers alike, have at least one top-3 pick on the roster. It's irrelevant to winning. It's no truer than the old superstition that teams with European captains couldn't win the Stanley Cup, which was formed in the days when hardly any NHL teams had European captains. Well, if you eliminate 90% of the teams from consideration, you'll probably eliminate 90% of the championships, too. That's how these things work – when there is no correlation.
Nothing to do with what I said, but you cling to that narrative and ignore everything else. You appear to be good at that.
Yeah, I guess you're right. Having the best players is irrelevant to winning Stanley Cups. You sure got me there, you appear to be good at that.
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Ok, fine, but could either of those teams have won if their best player walked prior?
The thing people are arguing is that it would be next to impossible to build your way to a championship team post best player walking. They gave it their shot to try to be Boston or St Louis, didn’t happen with their best core player. With him gone, it is just a fool’s errand to try to be that long shot that might somehow do it against all odds. Our better odds are leveraging assets, building back through the draft and prospects attained.
That's the ad nauseum argument that we hear from people claiming to know the Flames would never win the Cup with the existing roster in 2022.
They don't acknowledge the possibility that that could have occurred. There was a very likely path for the Flames to get to the conference finals last year.
People can blame the fact that it didn't happen on anything they like.
If the owners are concerned about profits, well I wonder how much Johnny has lined them over the last 8 years. He's gone now, and I can't think of a single player who's gonna put people in those seats anymore with the current roster. It may actually be in their best interests to embrace a rebuild and draft players worth watching again.
