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Old 07-12-2022, 07:17 PM   #401
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No player is bigger than the team. Bye Johnny.
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Old 07-12-2022, 07:17 PM   #402
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Old 07-12-2022, 07:17 PM   #403
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I’m not going to be gracious and wish him well. Johnny ####ed us. He has a contract offer and sat on it. He gave us a lot of sweet words at the end of the season but, if it wasn’t about money, he should have told Tre and let us get on with building our team. We could have made moves at the draft but we were frozen…waiting on him. He can GTFO.
I don’t disagree but there is just as much failure by the flames, whether it’s management or ownership, who refused to read the writing on the wall. They didn’t have the balls to give Johnny an ultimatum and kickstart a retool when they had the chance. Now they’re paying the price.

Even if the flames knew he was leaving a week ago, I doubt it makes much difference. Or two weeks ago. Almost no chance Chucky gets traded either way.

For better or worse, it would seem Flames ownership/management seem dead set against any retool or rebuild and want a perpetual playoff contender.
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You need leverage for that. Treliving had none.
What are you talking about? Johnny is a fantastic hockey player that didn't request a trade, he should have been moved last year period. You can't lose a player of that caliber for nothing, we've seen this scenario happen in recent memory with JT.
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Old 07-12-2022, 07:18 PM   #405
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Imagine if Gaudreau signs with the Oilers. See? This isn't the bottom yet.
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Old 07-12-2022, 07:18 PM   #407
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Anybody have pics of Johnny as kid with his favorite team on his jammies?
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Old 07-12-2022, 07:18 PM   #408
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Would have been nice to know for the draft. Darkest timeline might commerce. Tkachuk for ####ty spare parts and Flames over Kadri and some 3rd liner. Best time lime is Flame sign Malkin lol
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Old 07-12-2022, 07:18 PM   #409
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To lose all of Gio, Brodie and Gaudreau for no assets in return is a painful reality no ifs and or buts. This Gaudreau one hurts though because this really has screwed Calgary going forward and had limited what they’re able to do here, personally it’s scary to think how close this is to UFA. I really hope they don’t make any knee jerk reactions here by Treliving.
Wtf is this? Brodie got us Tanev. Gio got us Kyilinton. Both were on their last legs.
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Flames ownership/management seem dead set against any retool or rebuild and want a perpetual playoff contender attender.
fixed that one for you
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To lose all of Gio, Brodie and Gaudreau for no assets in return is a painful reality no ifs and or buts. This Gaudreau one hurts though because this really has screwed Calgary going forward and had limited what they’re able to do here, personally it’s scary to think how close this is to UFA. I really hope they don’t make any knee jerk reactions here by Treliving.
We have many, many data points: top players do not want to play in Calgary.
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Old 07-12-2022, 07:19 PM   #412
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Rebuttle to Trees knee jerk comment:

Do SOMETHING! ANYTHING!!

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Old 07-12-2022, 07:19 PM   #413
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ah man Johnny had to make a decision for himself. It’s his life.

Management’s job is to manage risks.

Management #%^*ed us. Just like they have for decades here in Calgary. An organization that has no real success has problems. It’s not on the individual players.
Of course it’s his life and he made a decision that worked for him.

I have no idea what Tre could have done differently. He couldn’t force Johnny to sign a deal this year or last year. He couldn’t read Johnny’s mind about whether he wanted to stay. He couldn’t trade our superstar as we were heading into the playoffs as projected contenders. He gave Johnny an offer a month ago and they sat on it. He couldn’t make any moves without any certainty provided by the Gaudreau camp due to the salary cap.
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As much as this stings now.... hold your heads high, because in 2026, when a cupless, frustrated, #97 does the exact same thing to the Oilers, it will all seem better, and the Universe will return to balance.
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ah man Johnny had to make a decision for himself. It’s his life.

Management’s job is to manage risks.
Management's job is to hire the people who provide the product to the paying customers. Managing risk is worthless if there is no product worth paying for.
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We have many, many data points: top players do not want to play in Calgary.
So in order to keep things cycling through you can’t lose players for nothing.
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Old 07-12-2022, 07:19 PM   #417
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And honestly, I’m not even that upset. Johnny had a career year in a contract year. Like many guys before him, I wouldn’t be surprised if his production takes a hit once he’s set for life and signs his big money deal. Especially if he signs with a crap team like Philly or NJ. I’m more worried about the assets we could have gotten for him.
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Old 07-12-2022, 07:19 PM   #418
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In all seriousness, what would be the benefit of BT remaining as GM?

Top player has left, arguably top defender last season. What he has tried to build is crumbling.

Perhaps fresh view on the team is what is needed.

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Old 07-12-2022, 07:19 PM   #419
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Oh ffs. Patient.. just let it all rot on the vine. Where's the pivot man!
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Old 07-12-2022, 07:19 PM   #420
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What are you talking about? Johnny is a fantastic hockey player that didn't request a trade, he should have been moved last year period. You can't lose a player of that caliber for nothing, we've seen this scenario happen in recent memory with JT.
So you throw away our playoff chances last season for magic beans?
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