Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

You're not getting great value on a rental with a $9M cap hit that has serious questions about his long term desires. It will probably be necessary if things play out this way with Gaudreau, but I wouldn't expect a haul in return given the situation.

That Tkachuk contract is another great example of when the franchise needed its GM to play hardball and get the team a better deal that didn't result in this one-year RFA season with a massive QO required.

Tell that to the people who figured Treliving had to trade Gaudreau last summer (in hindsight only of course).

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You won't get Gaudreau for 9.5M
Either 11M or lose him for nothing

Very easy choice. It's not franchise crippling to pay your top player 1.5M more than expected. (And really who expected 9.5M for the #2 scorer in the league) almost seems like some posters are hedging their bets to complain either way.

Two questions

1) do you think Johnny is worth it to be paid the highest on the team for the next eight years? If so do you see him in the same ilk as McDavid and Mackinnon?
2) what average point production do you see from him for the next eight years to make that contract valid? What production would be a disappointment?

I keep saying I think he’s a great number two on a championship team. The elusive number one is missing. Just because he’s the best player on the team doesn’t justify the $11M price tag. If it handcuffs you in the future let some other team make a mistake. It’s a sunk cost.

[Sec214]

Anyone got a Ham and Cheese sandwich extra?

[calf]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

That’s because most of the time the GT are a complete cesspool of the same 5 posters yelling at anyone who disagrees with them.



There is a large number of posters here who refuse to go into GTs lately, (or while sober)

Ummm ..

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by fleury

Two questions

1) do you think Johnny is worth it to be paid the highest on the team for the next eight years? If so do you see him in the same ilk as McDavid and Mackinnon?
2) what average point production do you see from him for the next eight years to make that contract valid? What production would be a disappointment?

I keep saying I think he’s a great number two on a championship team. The elusive number one is missing. Just because he’s the best player on the team doesn’t justify the $11M price tag. If it handcuffs you in the future let some other team make a mistake. It’s a sunk cost.

You are correct he's a great #2 on a championship team.

But do you think the extra 1.5$ million we would pay him is what is stopping us from getting that superstar #1....

[manwiches]

Waiting impatiently for another update to Pat's tweet.... My wife is getting irritated I've been staring at my phone all day

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[Mars]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Yeah, Gross's MO seems to be pull an eleventh hour "ok fine, fine, I'll do it!" signing (hence my Wed 11:57am EST signing prediction).

Due to that 8th year, unless he can get a team to really pay up the wazoo AND keep Johnny happy, then his best bet is still with Calgary. And if he lets Johnny go to UFA then he likely gets a smaller take overall, as much as 3-4 million USD less total NHL career earnings. Unless he can convince Philly or whoever to fork over McDavid level AAV when they still have RFAs to sign.

Yup this is why I’m still optimistic. With the latest rumoured offer from the flames being north of 10mil, a 7 year UFA deal likely leaves money on the table already, never mind the next hypothetical contract being lower AAV.

Also I can’t see Gross agreeing to negotiate in bad faith, it would be highly unprofessional and a huge waste of time for all involved.

[Cole436]

I don’t think Gross is going to lose the 8th year under any circumstance. I feel like we’re going to hear something soon.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

You are correct he's a great #2 on a championship team.

But do you think the extra 1.5$ million we would pay him is what is stopping us from getting that superstar #1....

No. But it could handcuff us when his production regresses. I have to specify again I’m not a Johnny hater. I’ve had my ups and downs like many on here. Last year was special. The question is what you believe he is going forward. For that when someone is in a contract year I’m generally skeptical. He’s been about a ppg player and I don’t think that’s worth $11M. And so I think with that as your top line expense it will cost you when he produces in the 85-90 point mark for the next 4-5 years. So if you do want to go to rebuild and want to hand off that contract, it’ll be tough to not pay to get rid of it when he’s a ppg player.

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Originally Posted by manwiches

Waiting impatiently for another update to Pat's tweet.... My wife is getting irritated I've been staring at my phone all day

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At least it should only be an issue for the next 6.5hrs.

[corporatejay]

I’m sure this has been said but him leaving is not the worst thing that could happen today. An expensive long term deal is.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Cole436

I don’t think Gross is going to lose the 8th year under any circumstance. I feel like we’re going to hear something soon.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Cole436

I don’t think Gross is going to lose the 8th year under any circumstance. I feel like we’re going to hear something soon.

What’s an average agent make? 5%? 10%?

He will be pushing his client for the biggest payday, he won’t care where he wants to play. If Gaudreau leaves it’s not about money at all.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Tell that to the people who figured Treliving had to trade Gaudreau last summer (in hindsight only of course).

That's why you take care of business with your best players as early as possible. Now the team is almost in the exact same scenario with Tkachuk if they don't get him extended this summer.

I don't think there were that many clamoring to trade Gaudreau last summer anyway - more just a vocal minority if you ask me. He finished the year well with Sutter and the top line was rolling. There was little doubt he was still a top level producer.

Maybe not 115 point level, but 90-95 points, why not?

[Mars]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It’s only been 2mins you gotta wait at least 5!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by fleury

Two questions

1) do you think Johnny is worth it to be paid the highest on the team for the next eight years? If so do you see him in the same ilk as McDavid and Mackinnon?
2) what average point production do you see from him for the next eight years to make that contract valid? What production would be a disappointment?

I keep saying I think he’s a great number two on a championship team. The elusive number one is missing. Just because he’s the best player on the team doesn’t justify the $11M price tag. If it handcuffs you in the future let some other team make a mistake. It’s a sunk cost.

If McDavid or Nate were going to be UFAs tomorrow they would be getting more than 11M

Gaudreau had 115 points...he was better offensively than anyone in the league other than McDavid and even that was close

[Displaced Flames fan]

Awaiting the presser either way

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I’m sure this has been said but him leaving is not the worst thing that could happen today. An expensive long term deal is.

Exactly. Sunk cost. Fans get heated and it will surely be disappointing if he does walk but I don’t want these ####ty Sutter contracts anymore.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Cole436

I don’t think Gross is going to lose the 8th year under any circumstance. I feel like we’re going to hear something soon.

Why? If Guadreau doesn't care about the 8th year, there's nothing anyone can do to make him sign the deal.

[Strange Brew]

If you refuse to go over $9.5 for JG, I understand. But then there was no point keeping him for the last year of his contract.