Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[Displaced Flames fan]

All of these things could be true:

1. Gaudreau loves Calgary and being a Flame
2. Gaudreau would love to stay
3. Gaudreau is blown away by Calgary's offer
4. Gaudreau chooses to leave

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1546913271210397696

This would really sting, but it would be the right thing to do. The Flames would have lots of flexibility. The only thing I would fear is that they pushed all trying to use the cap right away instead of being calculated.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Ok.. not panicked.. but posting oddly. Put our Gaudreau stuff in a safe spot? He's made a bunch of posts that go from knowing something to speculating on if he leaves, etc.

Yeah I noticed that too, thought the same thing.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

He assassinated his own character when he went on and on about wanting to be here and stay and then leaves. He could have just as easily never have said those things and nobody would be upset. If your partner told you she loved you and wanted to stay with you and then left you for her childhood sweetheart would you be bitter or would you wish her all the best while shaking her new lovers hand? You do you.

So he can't want to stay but also want to try something else? Weird.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Icon

It's still morning, few lunch beers should loosen people up.

I’m having one as we type…
Then off to the pool. Certainly takes the edge off.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

He assassinated his own character when he went on and on about wanting to be here and stay and then leaves. He could have just as easily never have said those things and nobody would be upset. If your partner told you she loved you and wanted to stay with you and then left you for her childhood sweetheart would you be bitter or would you wish her all the best while shaking her new lovers hand? You do you.

Lol or it could be as simple as he wanted to stay and wife wants to be close to home with the baby. For all we know him and his wife are having an all out fight about this.

[littlereddevil]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

To me it sounds like the Flames have leaked how much they’re offering in an attempt to show the fanbase that “hey we did our best” as if this was some sort of unavoidable reality.

…I hope I’m wrong, but if he leaves there are no excuses for management. They took this risk, and sometimes risks don’t pay off. This one may not, and there should be no excuses.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1546913271210397696

Well if this team tears everything down if Gaudreau doesn't re-sign, chances that the Flames stay in Calgary are even lower.

Hoping for the best result today regardless of what Gaudreau ends up deciding, but I have to admit I'm more of a glass half-empty kind of guy today.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

This would really sting, but it would be the right thing to do. The Flames would have lots of flexibility. The only thing I would fear is that they pushed all trying to use the cap right away instead of being calculated.

After watching Tkachuk in the playoffs, I would be hesitant to give him anything over $9mil, even with Gaudreau staying.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by nik-

On and on? He gave cliched answers to media. Everyone has seen them from players. It's not his fault you can't seem to separate a puff answer from a binding contract.

They were not cliche answers. Did Tkachuk sat anything the year before last season about a long term deal? No. He went out if his way to say he wanted to stay. I knew you would show up away from the off topic boards around now, time to troll eh buddy? It will you call me a basketcase again because the rules don't seem to apply to you?

[1_Flames_Fan]

Well at least we get Makar in 7 years We can be competitive by then again.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Leave your loins out of it lol

Lynn Loyns?

[ResAlien]

Getting some serious psycho ex vibes in here. If it works out great, if he leaves well that’s how it is too. Not sure I’m going to decide to curse his good for nothing name and brand him a coward who’s afraid of being here or whatever madness some are peddling.

Hope it works out and he stays for a decent number. The team let him get to UFA and crucifying him for that is silly.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

Well at least we get Makar in 7 years We can be competitive by then again.

Sutter will be 70 then and will only coach home games...!!

[EVERLAST]

Originally Posted by littlereddevil

Well if this team tears everything down if Gaudreau doesn't re-sign, chances that the Flames stay in Calgary are even lower.

Hoping for the best result today regardless of what Gaudreau ends up deciding, but I have to admit I'm more of a glass half-empty kind of guy today.

So the Flames are moving huh? Hmmm. Because players didn't wanna stay or sign here.
AWESOME INSIGHT!!!!

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by liamenator

Hard not to conclude at this point that the "good faith" negotiations were just posturing by JG13's team to maintain leverage in negotiations with Philly or NJ. It's not surprising but it stings. Flames sure are developing a knack for winding up a pawn in other players' games.

From JG’s camps point of view it might just be a bonus side effect of taking a long time to decide because Flames did not put an offer in front of him that was good enough to foresake JG’s well earned once in a career FA windfall. Every day that passed after the season ended, JG’s position got stronger.

Flames put themselves here and it was always up to them to pay for the privelege of avoiding a bidding war. This flea market negotiation style the Flames used if true was bush league.

[Roof-Daddy]

Haha

Just because Johnny said he'd love to stay in Calgary, but then in the end chooses to leave, doesn't mean he was lying the whole time. He probably truly meant it but now that he's forced into an actual decision his deep desire to return home, play for the Flyers and also both he and his wife's families being close by, might make him ultimately choose to leave.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

They were not cliche answers. Did Tkachuk sat anything the year before last season about a long term deal? No. He went out if his way to say he wanted to stay. I knew you would show up away from the off topic boards around now, time to troll eh buddy? It will you call me a basketcase again because the rules don't seem to apply to you?

Yeah, they were cliche answers and people have been saying it all year. Again, not his fault you can't seem to grasp that.

Welcome to sports.

And, spoiler, this is basketcase.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Then you look at the silver lining. A guy who prioritizes being close to mommy and daddy at age 28 over winning and his hockey legacy is not a guy you are winning with anyhow. I am not saying if that is the route he did choose that it is wrong, it is right for him but there is a long list of players who chose location over winning. Those guys retired with their hockey legacy being they put location first and winning and competing second. See Shane Doan for example. You don't win championships with guys like that. I don't think Johnny is like that though and I believe he was bring totally honest when he said he wants to be here, win here, and wants to stay here. I can't see a guy who seems as competitive as he is throwing his entire hockey legacy down the crapper just to be closer to mom and dad.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by littlereddevil

Well if this team tears everything down if Gaudreau doesn't re-sign, chances that the Flames stay in Calgary are even lower.

Hoping for the best result today regardless of what Gaudreau ends up deciding, but I have to admit I'm more of a glass half-empty kind of guy today.

I don't think you have to worry about. Not now, not ever.

The current metro area population of Calgary in 2022 is 1,611,000. And it's one of the best hockey markets in the continent. Calgary is one of the wealthiest cities in North America. Only an idiot would move.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Getting some serious psycho ex vibes in here. If it works out great, if he leaves well that’s how it is too. Not sure I’m going to decide to curse his good for nothing name and brand him a coward who’s afraid of being here or whatever madness some are peddling.

Hope it works out and he stays for a decent number. The team let him get to UFA and crucifying him for that is silly.

Agreed. He fulfilled his part of the bargain. If he leaves - I will immediately shift to the Erick Estrada/Jiri Hirdina theory that paying him $10m/year at age 29 is dumb.

But if people want to be angry with him.. go for it. Do you

[GordonBlue]

If only the flames signed him to 8 years on his last contract and bought out 2 UFA years you'd have no worries.