Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1546913271210397696

This is where I see this headed as well.

Gaudreau walks, and the Flames are forced to deal Tkachuk....maybe some others as well.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

This post is terrible is also online

Showing some restraint

Ha! We should all be more like This post is terrible.

[Sec214]

If Johnny walks it’s not because of money or lack of desire from the organization, fan base or anything alike. It’s 100% Johnny’s choice and where he and his wife wants to spend the rest of his career, raise their children ect. It’s no different from the rest of us.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The problem with not signing Gaudreau is that the Flames will use that cap space in much worse, likely devastating ways.

Gaudreau IS the least risky option.

Except the Flames don't actually have much cap space with or without Gaudreau. Without him they can sign their RFAs and fill a decent 3rd pair. With him the roster needs a lot more surgery.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Then you look at the silver lining. A guy who prioritizes being close to mommy and daddy at age 28 over winning and his hockey legacy is not a guy you are winning with anyhow. I am not saying if that is the route he did choose that it is wrong, it is right for him but there is a long list of players who chose location over winning. Those guys retired with their hockey legacy being they put location first and winning and competing second. See Shane Doan for example. You don't win championships with guys like that. I don't think Johnny is like that though and I believe he was bring totally honest when he said he wants to be here, win here, and wants to stay here. I can't see a guy who seems as competitive as he is throwing his entire hockey legacy down the crapper just to be closer to mom and dad.

Nice emotional hedge, starting up with conditional character assassination.

A guy who prioritizes being close to GRANDMA and GRANDPA (x2) over MONEY is simply a good person, full stop. The odds of winning with any of his likely suitors (including CGY) are pretty slim.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You are paying for a significantly lower AAV than a 7 year deal in a UFA bidding war.

If he signs in the next half day.

Not sure how it’s in JG’s interest to do that. Even if the team he prefers gets his rights, more money over 7 years is better.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Bonded

It was the right move when the Devils were shopping the second overall. If he gets traded now it is going to be for some crappy spare parts from St Louis probably.

The worst part about it is this was totally out of our Control because the Flames couldn't do #### with Johnny's decision in the air. If they did hold out this long with little to no word on decision and then walk only to handcuff the Flames for the next ___ years I will be severely disappointed in John.

If he's going to leave, that's fine I'll accept his decision to want to be closer to Family/play for his childhood dream team. But I don't respect holding out for "money" when clearly the Flames have given him an insane offer (if the leak is true) therefor its more of an excuse than the actual reason.

I hate this.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Sec214

If Johnny walks it’s not because of money or lack of desire from the organization, fan base or anything alike. It’s 100% Johnny’s choice and where he and his wife wants to spend the rest of his career, raise their children ect. It’s no different from the rest of us.

100% correct IMO

I hope people also keep in mind that we're lucky Johnny is a good and loyal guy, he could have easily never put a Flames jersey on if he chose not to. That's the way the "rules" are set up.

If he was piece of crap like Adam Fox, he would have been a Flyer his whole career so far.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Except the Flames don't actually have much cap space with or without Gaudreau. Without him they can sign their RFAs and fill a decent 3rd pair. With him the roster needs a lot more surger.

Balk Gaudreau to sign the 3rd defence pairing. Love it.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

…I hope I’m wrong, but if he leaves there are no excuses for management. They took this risk, and sometimes risks don’t pay off. This one may not, and there should be no excuses.

What risk? You're assuming that he may have signed last off-season, after an awful year in Calgary. Doesn't make much sense. This year was fantastic for him in Calgary. What changed in the last year to suddenly make him want to go home? If he doesn't sign this year, it was always his plan to go back IMO.

If Calgary had traded Gaudreau last off-season, it would have been a sell-low scenario, as he was coming off two bad seasons. Likely late 1st and a couple okay prospects. Instead, the Flames won a division and were considered contenders. Didn't work out, but it is what it is and the Flames finished better than 24 other teams in the league.

[liamenator]

Hard not to conclude at this point that the "good faith" negotiations were just posturing by JG13's team to maintain leverage in negotiations with Philly or NJ. It's not surprising but it stings. Flames sure are developing a knack for winding up a pawn in other players' games.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Royle9

The worst part about it is this was totally out of our Control because the Flames couldn't do #### with Johnny's decision in the air. If they did hold out this long with little to no word on decision and then walk only to handcuff the Flames for the next ___ years I will be severely disappointed in John.

If he's going to leave, that's fine I'll accept his decision to want to be closer to Family/play for his childhood dream team. But I don't respect holding out for "money" when clearly the Flames have given him an insane offer (if the leak is true) therefor its more of an excuse than the actual reason.

I hate this.

Yeah, if Tkachuk is contingent on Gaudreau then I'd be mad as that second overall pick will be the best futures they could have got.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Sec214

If Johnny walks it’s not because of money or lack of desire from the organization, fan base or anything alike. It’s 100% Johnny’s choice and where he and his wife wants to spend the rest of his career, raise their children ect. It’s no different from the rest of us.

Do you know something or are you just posting in a panic? Were you at this event or recounting a story from someone?

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by Sec214

If Johnny walks it’s not because of money or lack of desire from the organization, fan base or anything alike. It’s 100% Johnny’s choice and where he and his wife wants to spend the rest of his career, raise their children ect. It’s no different from the rest of us.

Yes I agree, however the Flames should have been more than aware of this risk and have dealt with this much earlier.

Losing him for nothing would/will be a large failure.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Do you know something or are you just posting in a panic? Were you at this event or recounting a story from someone?

He doesn't sound panicked to me.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by liamenator

Hard not to conclude at this point that the "good faith" negotiations were just posturing by JG13's team to maintain leverage in negotiations with Philly or NJ. It's not surprising but it stings. Flames sure are developing a knack for winding up a pawn in other players' games.

I know a few guys who work for the Flames front office and they think he is actually torn on the decision but it is all cooler talk

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Except the Flames don't actually have much cap space with or without Gaudreau. Without him they can sign their RFAs and fill a decent 3rd pair. With him the roster needs a lot more surgery.




Nice emotional hedge, starting up with conditional character assassination.

A guy who prioritizes being close to GRANDMA and GRANDPA (x2) over MONEY is simply a good person, full stop. The odds of winning with any of his likely suitors (including CGY) are pretty slim.

He assassinated his own character when he went on and on about wanting to be here and stay and then leaves. He could have just as easily never have said those things and nobody would be upset. If your partner told you she loved you and wanted to stay with you and then left you for her childhood sweetheart would you be bitter or would you wish her all the best while shaking her new lovers hand? You do you.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by greyshep

Yes I agree, however the Flames should have been more than aware of this risk and have dealt with this much earlier.

Losing him for nothing would/will be a large failure.

Lose/lose situation for the Flames. I'd take the season they had over trading Gaudreau for a crappy prospect and a first last offseason. The real bungling will be if they missed the boat on trading Tkachuk to the Devils for a package around the second overall.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

He assassinated his own character when he went on and on about wanting to be here and stay and then leaves. He could have just as easily never have said those things and nobody would be upset. If your partner told you she loved you and wanted to stay with you and then left you for her childhood sweetheart would you be bitter or would you wish her all the best while shaking her new lovers hand? You do you.

On and on? He gave cliched answers to media. Everyone has seen them from players. It's not his fault you can't seem to separate a puff answer from a binding contract.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He doesn't sound panicked to me.

Ok.. not panicked.. but posting oddly. Put our Gaudreau stuff in a safe spot? He's made a bunch of posts that go from knowing something to speculating on if he leaves, etc.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by Sec214

If Johnny walks it’s not because of money or lack of desire from the organization, fan base or anything alike. It’s 100% Johnny’s choice and where he and his wife wants to spend the rest of his career, raise their children ect. It’s no different from the rest of us.

Probably could have stated his intentions at the beginning of last season. If he walks, it’s horrible asset management and will not shine brightly on Tre or Johnny. Rightfully or wrongfully, I imagine he’ll get boo’ed a la Tavares when he returns to the dome if he signs elsewhere.