Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Bad decisions are made when deadlines are not set or observed. Not understanding the urgency of a situation, or ignoring it all together, is a certain way to make a bad decision that negatively impacts an organization.

So which way are you going?

They didn't understand?
They ignored it?

Neither make any sense.

Do you think Treliving just went rogue?

You just love the negative drama so much ...

The management group talked to Gaudreau through last summer and didn't get a deal done. They would have kept the ownership group apprised at all times on how those talks were going. Ultimately the ownership group would have signed off on the plan to let it ride, and they did.

There's nothing new today. There's no realization of having painted themselves into a corner without knowing it.

If anything the season went better than expected with winning a division and a playoff series, so if they were comfortable going for it last summer they are likely prepared for whatever happens now.

[NegativeSpace]

I guess that means I can just check back in later today. Johnny isn’t signing today and if Matthew isn’t traded then nothing Flames news worthy is going to happen (which means a blockbuster trade occurs).

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1545071402574921728

After watching the Gaudreau situation play out, what could possibly go wrong?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

I guess that means I can just check back in later today. Johnny isn’t signing today and if Matthew isn’t traded then nothing Flames news worthy is going to happen (which means a blockbuster trade occurs).

Would be great to see NJ trade #2 to someone else for a big name high salary player.
Thar could at least put down the idea of Johnny & Tkachuk going there.

[Sec214]

This is them playing cool trying to put down the rumors but its happening. He's being shopped.

[JackIsBack]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1545071402574921728

Since when to be abbreviate Calgary as "Cal"... I know it's not a big deal, but every time I see that I think that the person doesn't really know or understand our city that much... Cal = California to me, and when you usually see this mistake, it's usually from a source that clearly doesn't even know where Calgary is on a map.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

No, I meant what I said. The Flames should avoid to scenario where they have to send him a QO. Sign or trade him before that deadline arrives.

Why would Tkachuk sign his QO immediately/quickly?

What is his goal? To get a really big contract with a team he likes, or just to become a UFA? [so he can get a really big contract with a team he likes]?

Through a summer of RFA he can freely talk to every team in the league about an immediate trade and sign, sign and trade, offer sheet, or at least build relationships and possible frameworks for a contract next July 1.

Signing his QO closes the door on all of that.


Now it may still be in the Flames best interest to move him ASAP, but I think his value is still highest with an extension agreed (whether signed by Flames or new team). One thing I've tried to google but am not 100% clear on is whether Tkachuk would be eligible for an 8 year deal with any other team before next TDL.

Fiala just signed for 7yrs, so I'm thinking it's only the Flames at this point.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So which way are you going?

They didn't understand?
They ignored it?

Neither make any sense.

Do you think Treliving just went rogue?

You just love the negative drama so much ...

The management group talked to Gaudreau through last summer and didn't get a deal done. They would have kept the ownership group apprised at all times on how those talks were going. Ultimately the ownership group would have signed off on the plan to let it ride, and they did.

There's nothing new today. There's no realization of having painted themselves into a corner without knowing it.

If anything the season went better than expected with winning a division and a playoff series, so if they were comfortable going for it last summer they are likely prepared for whatever happens now.

This narrative also depends upon information we don’t have. I was on board with trading Johnny last summer but not at any return. If the market was not there for a trade then I don’t blame them for holding to see if something better came along and see if the team can have a good season, which happened. If Treliving gets a lower first and a b-prospect for him I would have been disappointed, even more so if Johnny puts up a MVP season in another city. Without knowing what the market looked like and the other options available to Treliving it is hard to criticize fairly. Further, I tend to understand the logic when Treliving does make a move. So, I am usually left in the spot of assuming that the offers weren’t great last year and it made more sense to walk this path than any other l.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

Since when to be abbreviate Calgary as "Cal"... I know it's not a big deal, but every time I see that I think that the person doesn't really know or understand our city that much... Cal = California to me, and when you usually see this mistake, it's usually from a source that clearly doesn't even know where Calgary is on a map.

Friedmans abbreviations have often been all over the place (mostly on purpose) and a source of amusement. "CAL" is pretty harmless for him lol

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

Since when to be abbreviate Calgary as "Cal"... I know it's not a big deal, but every time I see that I think that the person doesn't really know or understand our city that much... Cal = California to me, and when you usually see this mistake, it's usually from a source that clearly doesn't even know where Calgary is on a map.

It's Friedman's weird trolling. He does it all the time.

[FlamesAddiction]

Losing both Gaudreau and Tkachuk in the same off season would be really bad for optics and devastating to the rest of the team and the fans. That kind of stuff can really hurt a franchise on and off the ice for a long time.

Having said that, just to entertain the thought if it was something that had to happen, it would make sense to move them together. You could extort a bigger return if the team getting them is receiving instant chemistry as well.

The assumption would be that JG has already agreed to sign there. Tkachuk may be a rental, but look at what superstar rentals get at the trade deadline and Tkachuk would have to be worth at least that, plus more considering they would get a year to negotiate or the team receiving him could recoup a large portion at the deadline.

So what kind of return would Tkachuk get? I say at least this year's 1st, plus a 2023 conditional 2nd that becomes a 1st if Tkachuk re-signs, plus an established young player. If they are also getting the jump on signing JG, then you can through in a top prospect.

That would be quite a haul, but would still be difficult to swallow.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Handshake deals are a really dumb thing to do when you have millions of dollars at stake. You never rely on anyone on their word. You take the written contract in cause it goes to a legal battle. No competent agent would never accept that.

They are known in business as "side letters" and they happen ALL the time. They don't form part of the main agreement for one reason or another...but they're still memorialized in writing.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1545070150369656838

This tweet is the only one that makes sense. Flames are not doing anything until they know if Johnny re-signs or goes. The same probably goes for Tkachuk also.If it takes till July 15th for Johnnys decision then flames will wait till then.

[PeteMoss]

Makes no sense for Tkachuk to do anything before Gaudreau does. If Gaudreau leaves, the Flames may up their offer for him so they don't lose both guys.

[Jore]

If the choice is between rebuilding or spending 20 million aav on two wingers...

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The optics of losing both Gaudreau and Tkachuk in the same off season would be really bad for optics and devastating to the rest of the team and the fans. That kind of stuff can really hurt a franchise on and off the ice for a long time.

Having said that, just to entertain the thought if it was something that had to happen, it would make sense to move them together. You could extort a bigger return if the team getting them is receiving instant chemistry as well.

The assumption would be that JG has already agreed to sign there. Tkachuk may be a rental, but look at what superstar rentals get at the trade deadline and Tkachuk would have to be worth at least that, plus more considering they would get a year to negotiate or the team receiving him could recoup a large portion at the deadline.

So what kind of return would Tkachuk get? I say at least this year's 1st, plus a 2023 conditional 2nd that becomes a 1st if Tkachuk re-signs, play an established young player. If they are also getting the jump on signing JG, then you can through in a top prospect.

That would be quite a haul, but would still be difficult to swallow.

I think if johnny walks on free agency day the team should be looking to trade Tkachuk asap. Try getting a great prospect and 2023 1st rounder. In my mind his value just lowers if he has signed a 1 year QA and it's a deadline deal.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jore

If the choice is between rebuilding or spending 20 million aav on two wingers...

Who we couldn’t win anything with when they cost $13M, it does need to be said…

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So which way are you going?

They didn't understand?
They ignored it?

Neither make any sense.

Do you think Treliving just went rogue?

You just love the negative drama so much ...

The management group talked to Gaudreau through last summer and didn't get a deal done. They would have kept the ownership group apprised at all times on how those talks were going. Ultimately the ownership group would have signed off on the plan to let it ride, and they did.

There's nothing new today. There's no realization of having painted themselves into a corner without knowing it.

If anything the season went better than expected with winning a division and a playoff series, so if they were comfortable going for it last summer they are likely prepared for whatever happens now.

The problem with not getting this done last year is exactly what is playing out now and it very well could end up with Johnny and Tkachuk gone in the same year, after a pretty successful season. Could it have been avoided altogether? We will likely never know who ultimately squashed those discussions or laid this foundation but it's looking increasingly like it may not end well.

The big concern now is that Gaudreau and his camp will come back at the 11th hour next week with a take it or leave it offer to avoid walking and a substantially higher cap hit than the 9.5 that hamstrings the team.

It is what it is, but it has the appearance of pretty sloppy management by Treliving and coupled with the bad term he got out of Tkachuk, the whole thing just feels like something an inexperienced GM might walk into, but not something a guy that has been on the job for nearly a decade should.

[PeteMoss]

Also - its obvious no one has any information on Gaudreau either. They are all just speculating based on what has happened at this point. I'm sure they are asking his friends, family etc but no one has any real information beyond that he's had an offer for a long time and hasn't signed anything.

[Madman]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Handshake deals are a really dumb thing to do when you have millions of dollars at stake. You never rely on anyone on their word. You take the written contract in cause it goes to a legal battle. No competent agent would never accept that.