Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[SuperMatt18]

The thing is it doesn’t make sense for Tkachuk to accept his qualifying offer right away on July 11th

That offer is there no matter what until the season opens.

He might as well keep negotiating and trying for a bigger deal - either with the Flames or if he gets traded.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The thing is it doesn’t make sense for Tkachuk to accept his qualifying offer right away on July 11th

That offer is there no matter what until the season opens.

He might as well keep negotiating and trying for a bigger deal - either with the Flames or if he gets traded.

It may make sense if his goal is to get to UFA as soon as possible. submitting it essentially guarantees that he's choosing where to sign next year.

[Roof-Daddy]

Ugh.

Tkachuk for 2nd overall straight up is a ridiculous notion IMO.

Much more likely you end up with Nolan Patrick than an actual top line C, much less a player that is ever anywhere near as good as Tkachuk.

Hopefully if they are trading Tkachuk an extension with the acquiring team can be agreed to so his value in a trade isn't that low.

Need Holtz or Mercer included as well.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Ugh.

Tkachuk for 2nd overall straight up is a ridiculous notion IMO.

Much more likely you end up with Nolan Patrick than an actual top line C, much less a player that is ever anywhere near as good as Tkachuk.

Hopefully if they are trading Tkachuk an extension with the acquiring team can be agreed to so his value in a trade isn't that low.

Need Holtz or Mercer included as well.

Tkachuk trade with NJ has to include a Holtz or Mercer + the pick.
2 O/A isn't enough for a 100pt top 10 winger (power forward) in the league.

I haven't seen anywhere list the trade idea as JUST the pick, its always included an A+ prospect.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Ugh.

Tkachuk for 2nd overall straight up is a ridiculous notion IMO.

Much more likely you end up with Nolan Patrick than an actual top line C, much less a player that is ever anywhere near as good as Tkachuk.

Hopefully if they are trading Tkachuk an extension with the acquiring team can be agreed to so his value in a trade isn't that low.

Need Holtz or Mercer included as well.

If Tkachuk is being offered for 2OA, and you’re presumably losing Johnny as well, just take the pick.

I suggested a month or so ago that a sign and trade with the Devils for both guys could make sense, with Jersey sending Hischier back this way.

Kicks off our rebuild, which can be furthered by trading Lindholm, who would return more than either, given his age, position and contract.

Continue to develop the defense internally, don’t overcommit to anyone, and set yourself up to tank for Bedard.

Won’t happen. Probably not the worst idea, but it won’t happen.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Ugh.

Tkachuk for 2nd overall straight up is a ridiculous notion IMO.

Much more likely you end up with Nolan Patrick than an actual top line C, much less a player that is ever anywhere near as good as Tkachuk.

Hopefully if they are trading Tkachuk an extension with the acquiring team can be agreed to so his value in a trade isn't that low.

Need Holtz or Mercer included as well.

Yah, 2nd overall is sexy and all when there's no name attached to it yet, but Tkachuk is a pretty rare player. In the history of the NHL, 117 players have scored 100pts+ in a season. Of those 117, the closest "type" of player is probably Howe/Messier. No, I'm not proclaiming Tkachuk to be the second coming of these players, but not many 100 pt players bring the same elements to the game as Tkachuk. Maybe Ciccarelli as far as the pest component.

[Vinny01]

The Flames probably optimistically hoped they would get Johnny and Chucky on close to matching 8 year deals in the 9.5-10 range. That won’t happen. If they want to win now I think their best course of action is upping the offer to Johnny to 11-11.5M over 8 and finding the best trade for the long term with Chucky.

Devils want a player like him and he is cousins with the GM and buddies with Hughes. Makes a lot of sense where the Flames could get high value assets that won’t count against the cap and ensuring they keep their franchise player and not lose him for nothing

[GreenLantern2814]

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[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

It may make sense if his goal is to get to UFA as soon as possible. submitting it essentially guarantees that he's choosing where to sign next year.

Even then I don’t think there is value for him in signing ASAP

That option is always there, so why take other options off the table for yourself.

There is no benefit in signing the QO on July 11th

[Lonestar]

What about some sort of "handshake" deal with both players involved?



Tre says to Johnny "I understand this is a tough decision, why don't you sign with us for max term, we have $10.5 million per for you and a modified no movement clause where you can decide on one of 5 destinations in 3 years. At that point, the cap will be going up, you'll have a chance to win here for three years while giving those teams close to home some time to mature and become playoff clubs. We'll move you to one of those 5 teams in three years."



Tre says to Matthew "Take 3 years, 30 million, keep the band together trying to win with Darryl. In 3 years you can cash in as a 29 year old when the cap has gone up and escrow paid off."



It's shady and wouldn't be able to be memorialized in writing, but I assume stuff like that happens in negotiations all the time.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

It may make sense if his goal is to get to UFA as soon as possible. submitting it essentially guarantees that he's choosing where to sign next year.

But he doesn't have to sign it right away, he can sit on it an negotiate.

[Vinny01]

I would think Tkachuk would rather cash in a huge contract after a 100pt season rather than take the 1 year risk. A concussion or playing with less talented players might make him a 70pt guy and while still getting big money going for 8 years now makes the most sense. Just not sure it will be here and from the sounds of rumors it won’t be here

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1545070150369656838

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Lonestar

What about some sort of "handshake" deal with both players involved?



Tre says to Johnny "I understand this is a tough decision, why don't you sign with us for max term, we have $10.5 million per for you and a modified no movement clause where you can decide on one of 5 destinations in 3 years. At that point, the cap will be going up, you'll have a chance to win here for three years while giving those teams close to home some time to mature and become playoff clubs. We'll move you to one of those 5 teams in three years."



Tre says to Matthew "Take 3 years, 30 million, keep the band together trying to win with Darryl. In 3 years you can cash in as a 29 year old when the cap has gone up and escrow paid off."



It's shady and wouldn't be able to be memorialized in writing, but I assume stuff like that happens in negotiations all the time.

Handshake deals are a really dumb thing to do when you have millions of dollars at stake. You never rely on anyone on their word. You take the written contract in cause it goes to a legal battle. No competent agent would never accept that.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I would take Wright myself. I think it's a situation with the bloom off the rose with him but he still looks like he's going to be a very useful center in the NHL like Lindholm.

Yup that’s a whole lot better than having another Johnny situation next summer

[manwiches]

Anybody like me, and scroll the comments quickly to find the ones most liked before reading? This thread is bipolar.

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[sureLoss]

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[Royle9]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1545070150369656838

I mean, what else are the Flames supposed to say though to be fair.
The same has been said about Johnny all season long.

Sure the Flames are focused on that, but at some point the reality of the situation has to come to focus. Would Tkachuk want to stay here if the Flames lose their #1 playmaking forward?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

If Tkachuk is being offered for 2OA, and you’re presumably losing Johnny as well, just take the pick.

I suggested a month or so ago that a sign and trade with the Devils for both guys could make sense, with Jersey sending Hischier back this way.

Kicks off our rebuild, which can be furthered by trading Lindholm, who would return more than either, given his age, position and contract.

Continue to develop the defense internally, don’t overcommit to anyone, and set yourself up to tank for Bedard.

Won’t happen. Probably not the worst idea, but it won’t happen.

Why make this assumption. I'd assume the opposite - you need the cash saved from divesting Tkachuk to pay Johnny more.

[Lonestar]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Handshake deals are a really dumb thing to do when you have millions of dollars at stake. You never rely on anyone on their word. You take the written contract in cause it goes to a legal battle. No competent agent would never accept that.

I get what you're saying and I agree the agents wouldn't bite, but I'll just point out that it's not like dollars are being left on the table. Both players would make fair value on the guaranteed contracts and Matthew might end up making more total dollars as he signs a 7 year deal in a few years when the cap goes up. He'd just be betting that he doesn't get hurt or Flame out in those few years, similar to him betting he won't do the same this year on a QO.