Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Whoever gets him only has to pay him 1million because of the bonus pay out already. Cap hit is six million but that's an easy contract to move and glad Treliving found a mover if true

Whoever gets him doesn't even have to pay the full million because the oilers are paying a portion.

[Royle9]

I was hoping Lucic movement involved within the organization and not to an other team honestly. But that’s me being selfish and appreciating what he did for the Flames.

I don’t want to play against him, great human being.

[agulati]

If Lucic is moving on, that is definitely a hole that has to be filled in the locker room. Cap space needs to be cleared though. I wonder if he is only moved when we know if Johnny is signing an extension.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think the specific number matters at this point. Johnny likely knows the team is prepared to make an 8 year commitment at a hefty price to bring him back. It comes down to - does he want to be here or not. If he does - they will find a number that works. If he doesn't the number doesn't matter.

At this stage it's about Johnny making a life decision. The number will work out if he chooses to be here.

I don't know. An AAV of 9.5 vs. 11.5 could have a big impact on his decision. I'm also not of the view that he will ignore the term and only look at total dollars.

If in fact someone offers him $82 million over 7 years that would be a meaningful difference than say $76 million over 8 years.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Friedman isn’t claiming any info. His is a complete guess at what he thinks an offer might look like. If Friedman has something more solid he says he “is hearing…”

I do know the post you are talking about. But that was literally weeks ago. Even if that was legit info it’s out of date. And it’s even possible it was taken down not because the source was upset the truth got out but maybe because it was incorrect info being bandied about.

Only if there have been subsequent offers. Seravalli had said there haven't been but of course they could be negotiating today for all we know.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Hearing the Flames have found a home for Lucic. Could happen this week. Not an official source at all but an interesting one.

Gio's place in Altadore?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Only if there have been subsequent offers. Seravalli had said there haven't been but of course they could be negotiating today for all we know.

That post itself said there back and forth discussions. It’s almost impossible that the offers haven’t evolved.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Flame On

Obviously you have to deal Lucic if you can, but that's a big room leadership hole and not to mention a nuclear deterrent on the ice that leaves. Which I don't think we will fully realize until he's gone.

If Lucic is gone, good chance they bring back Gud. Maybe even Zadorov if the price is right

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think the specific number matters at this point. Johnny likely knows the team is prepared to make an 8 year commitment at a hefty price to bring him back. It comes down to - does he want to be here or not. If he does - they will find a number that works. If he doesn't the number doesn't matter.

At this stage it's about Johnny making a life decision. The number will work out if he chooses to be here.

It could also be that an agreement is already in place, but Brad wants to make some other moves first to free up some more space. Tree doesn't seem like a "I know I can move other pieces, let's sign now" kinda guy. He seems more like a "ok, now I know what this costs and what that costs, I also know that I need this, this and this... and I know I can move these other pieces to make room for everything... so let's get as much of that done as we can before the deadline and then come back and sign the papers."

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

If Lucic has been moved (Thanks Milan) and Monahan is on IR for a good part of the next season, we will have the cap space to make things work.

Originally Posted by FanIn80

It could also be that an agreement is already in place, but Brad wants to make some other moves first to free up some more space. Tree doesn't seem like a "I know I can move other pieces, let's sign now" kinda guy. He seems more like a "ok, now I know what this costs and what that costs, I also know that I need this, this and this... and I know I can move these other pieces to make room for everything... so let's get as much of that done as we can before the deadline and then come back and sign the papers."

Maybe he learned from his 3 headed goalie monster situation where he thought he had a trade partner for Hiller.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

That is the best news so far this off season.

Yup, off to a great start since this is pretty much the first hockey news this off season (as far as I remember).

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

If Lucic has been moved (Thanks Milan) and Monahan is on IR for a good part of the next season, we will have the cap space to make things work.

Monahan's timeline (according to Treliving earlier) is that they expect him to be ready by Game 1.

[dammage79]

So. Even with looch moving possibly I still don't see how the Flames can keep all 3 FA wingers in Gaudreau,Mangiapane and Tkachuk.

So how do they figure out which to keep and which to move? I figure either of Chucky or Mangiapane will garner a rock solid return. Given that the Flames re up Gaudreau.

End of the day, the safest bet maybe move Mnagiapane. Or maybe not. Or maybe. Omh who knows.

Once again I can't figure out even a fantasy scenario on how to build this team out. It's so tough with every single move there's a cascading effect all the way through the roster.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

There was some info in this thread that was very specific that was since removed. IMO it had the total ring of truth and it was 8*9.5. I choose to believe it.

That is a fine starting point but this doesn’t look to be a negotiation. Gaudreau is about a week away from listening to formal offers from any team in the league so if Flames haven’t made him their best offer yet, I hope they have a plan to do so rather soon.

As you point out, we don’t know for sure what has been offered. But the 9.5 is out there from a few sources and nothing different has been reported yet. Seems like a reasonable thing to debate in the absence of any other information.

If this isn’t a negotiation, then he’s leaving and any offer the Flames make is pointless… if Gaudreau has any intention of staying at all, then of course it is a negotiation.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Hearing the Flames have found a home for Lucic. Could happen this week. Not an official source at all but an interesting one.

It's too bad his cap hit makes moving him so valuable for a team with big players to renew. Although I hated the acquisition, Lucic has come to be one of my favorite Flames since he joined the team. I'll miss seeing him on the ice in Flames colors. He is an easy guy to cheer for when you get familiar with his character and the unique things he contributes

[agulati]

If Looch is moved, and Tanev and/or Monahan are expected to start the season on LTIR, there is no rush to move one of Tkachuk/Mangiapane.

[activeStick]

Looch quickly became my favorite Flame. He's obviously loved by his teammates, a key reason why other teams refrain from taking liberties against the Flames (like what the Ducks, Sharks, Hawks, etc. used to do before) and a massive part of the leadership in the room. Will miss him if he leaves.

[powderjunkie]

I'm genuinely curious how players in Johnny's situation go about assessing team trajectories. Is he sitting by the pool scrolling through capfriendly and hockey-reference and making pro/con lists for each potential team? Maybe a family member or someone at his agency prepares a 1-pager on each team? He'd also have personal experiences that might influence his thinking - a certain Devil had a standout game against the Flames or a certain Flyer stunk it up.

I suspect they think a lot more about coaching/mgmt/ownership than we do as fans.

Or maybe he doesn't think about it too much and just has a very general sense that Calgary = slightly better short-term vs. most other teams who look slightly better long-term.

[FanIn80]

Am I missing something about the cap space?

Without moving a single piece, we have 27M available for 6Fs and 3D. Assuming 20M goes to Johnny and Chucky, that leaves 7M to spend on Mangiapane, 2 4th liners, 2 bottom pairing D and a couple of spares. If we move Lucic, we'll have 12M for Mangi, 3 4th liners, 2 bottom pairing D and a couple of spares. We could even afford a partridge in a pear tree.

[kyuss275]

For the lucic info I wonder if it’s just Milan has agreed he would waive for a certain team but that’s about all. In this day and age there would be no point on waiting to announce the deal if both teams have agreed to it. After thinking about it I have my doubts that this “could be trade” is not as close as it may seem . Don’t get me wrong we need his cap hit off the books . I like mooch but $5+ million cap hit for a 4th liner is way to much.