Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think the team winning the division and a round of playoffs has allowed Brad to stave off being fired right now. I don’t see a team firing a GM after free agency opens because their best player walks.

Trust me I was very much on board with firing Treliving before this season but the team had their best regular season since 89, won the division for the second straight 82 game season, and won a playoff round for the first time in 7 years.

Brad extend Johnny he should be extended but if he doesn’t then this could be his last go with the team but I can’t see them firing him mid-July after the draft and free agency opening due to Johnny leaving

If Johnny walks for nothing and the team completely falls off again this coming season, then I would say we are likely watching Treliving get canned. Until that time, he's pretty safe given what happened this season.

For the record, I still don't think he's going to get this over the finish line and extend Gaudreau, but I do really hope I'm wrong.

[Manhattanboy]

I don't think Treliving should be fired if Johnny decides to walk. Not sure he could have done anything differently.

Trying to guess at this point which way this goes is like trying to guess red or black in Vegas.

[Roof-Daddy]

I totally agree. If Treliving doesn't hire a couple 6'6" 280lb goons to kidnap Johnny, lock him in a room and threaten him with his life until he signs an extension....they should fire his ass.

lol

WTF?

[Strange Brew]

My views on whether Treliving is a good GM or not have little to do with whether Gaudreau actually leaves.

As always, I remain curious as to what his views are on how to build a winning hockey team.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TapeToTape

I would also think about Chicago's Kane and Toews contracts, and how much success they've had since cashing in.

Chicago fell off as much of their skill players aging out and becoming less productive as much as anything else.

Chicago won one Stanley Cup after those contracts were signed (but before they kicked in). Assuming Chicago hadn't signed those contracts and let them walk, I doubt they would have won their third Stanley Cup.

If Kane and Toews had taken $2M less each, I doubt that extra $4M would have made any difference. The Hawks were done as an elite team by then.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I don't think Treliving should be fired if Johnny decides to walk. Not sure he could have done anything differently.

Trying to guess at this point which way this goes is like trying to guess red or black in Vegas.

He absolutely could have. Obviously Tre bet on himself to be able to get the deal done before UFA the same way as Johnny gambled on his season instead of signing before. If you let your 115 point star player walk away for nothing you better be walking the plank. That's the business.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Why do people say Treliving is going to ‘let’ Gaudreau leave?

Fairly sure Treliving, and the Flames, will put their best offer on the table and then it is up to Gaudreau. Along with his wife and maybe some family, It is going to be Gaudreau’s decision. Not Treliving, not the Flames, not Lewis Gross. The Flames entered this situation knowing full well what the risk was, for years no less, so it would be somewhat foolish to fire Treliving in the event Gaudreau chooses to leave. I would have a hard time believing Treliving would be solely responsible, so why should he take the fall? Appearances? The Flames save some face?

I doubt it.

If BT thought there was any chance he couldn't get Gaudreau to re-sign he should have been dealt for assets regardless of how the team was doing. He should take the fall because he let his franchise player get to the point where he can leave and get nothing back. It's inexcusable.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

He absolutely could have. Obviously Tre bet on himself to be able to get the deal done before UFA the same way as Johnny gambled on his season instead of signing before. If you let your 115 point star player walk away for nothing you better be walking the plank. That's the business.

You have absolutely no idea whether or not Johnny would have ever signed an extension in the last year, don't pretend you do know. You don't. Full stop.

Also, there was no way for Treliving to ever force Gaudreau to sign an extension in the last year.

Johnny's plan may have always been to go UFA and see what happens, and that is not in any way Trelivings fault. It's just the way it is.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

You have absolutely no idea whether or not Johnny would have ever signed an extension in the last year, don't pretend you do know. You don't. Full stop.

Also, there was no way for Treliving to ever force Gaudreau to sign an extension in the last year.

Johnny's plan may have always been to go UFA and see what happens, and that is not in any way Trelivings fault. It's just the way it is.

Apparently you have zero reading comprehension skills. I said BT gambled on bring able to sign Gaudreau and if he can't get it done he should be fired. If he didn't want to take that gamble he should have traded him for assets. Period. Letting a 115 point winger in his prime walk for zero assets is a fireable offense. Anyone who thinks otherwise must be satisfied with mediocrity and ineptness. It was reported they tried to get a deal done before the season but didn't come to terms, he was open to signing then. We know this, full stop. So you are wrong.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Apparently you have zero reading comprehension skills. I said BT gambled on bring able to sign Gaudreau and if he can't get it done he should be fired. If he didn't want to take that gamble he should have traded him for assets. Period. Letting a 115 point winger in his prime walk for zero assets is a fireable offense. Anyone who thinks otherwise must be satisfied with mediocrity and ineptness. It was reported they tried to get a deal done before the season but didn't come to terms, he was open to signing then. We know this, full stop. So you are wrong.

Aaah, my bad. I didn't read between the lines well enough to realize you were saying he should have traded him.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Apparently you have zero reading comprehension skills. I said BT gambled on bring able to sign Gaudreau and if he can't get it done he should be fired. If he didn't want to take that gamble he should have traded him for assets. Period. Letting a 115 point winger in his prime walk for zero assets is a fireable offense. Anyone who thinks otherwise must be satisfied with mediocrity and ineptness. It was reported they tried to get a deal done before the season but didn't come to terms, he was open to signing then. We know this, full stop. So you are wrong.

And the number to get Johnny signed in the last off-season was probably laughable given the prior years performance. We also have no idea how Johnny would have performed this year if that extension was in place.

This risk was well known all year, including at the TDL - were you suggesting a trade then? You're just playing captain hindsight and it's pathetic.

FWIW I've favoured trying to trade Johnny since Jan 2019. Once his NTC kicked in it became less viable. The biggest mistake here was that NTC clause, but even then it wouldn't have mattered given how events have played out.

[Vinny01]

What would people’s opinion be of Treliving had he traded Johnny for his value post Canadian division and he went on to have the season he did here with another team? It would be the Bennett thread X1000 how the Flames didn’t get everything out of Johnny. He literally increased his value 2-3 million per year over a max term with the season he just had.

[Strange Brew]

Treliving is not some bystander in the whole Gaudreau situation. It's fine to say you're happy with how he has handled it to date or not. But he has had options. Unless you think someone else is actually GMing the team.

Personally, I believe Gaudreau playing out his contract is one of the factors behind his incredible season. I wish the final results for the team had been just a bit better but I'm not going to hang Treliving for not having moved him if he leaves.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If BT thought there was any chance he couldn't get Gaudreau to re-sign he should have been dealt for assets regardless of how the team was doing. He should take the fall because he let his franchise player get to the point where he can leave and get nothing back. It's inexcusable.

For well over a year now you’ve been firmly in the ‘Gaidreau will sign’ camp. You were convinced. So, explain the logic as to why you’re now saying Treliving should be fired if Gaudreau leaves. These positions you’re taking, in relative close proximity, seem wildly at odds with one another.

If Treliving were to trade every pending UFA under the fear that they will walk, would the Flames be any better?

If that’s the case, Treliving should be looking to trade Lindholm right now.

Treliving did exactly what he should have. I strongly suspect he considered his options at various points in time. I’m sure he had discussions about trading Gaudreau. It’s been publicly acknowledged they discussed contract extensions last offseason. Through it all, the Flames have been loyal to Gaudreau, and I would bet my bottom dollar that if Gaudreau decides to leave it will be a very, very difficult decision.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TOfan

For well over a year now you’ve been firmly in the ‘Gaidreau will sign’ camp. You were convinced. So, explain the logic as to why you’re now saying Treliving should be fired idle Gaudreau leaves. These positions you’re taking, in relative close proximity, seem wildly at odds with one another.

If Treliving were to trade every pending UFA under the fear that they will walk, would the Flames be any better?

If that’s the case, Treliving should be looking to trade Lindholm right now.

Treliving did exactly what he should have. I strongly suspect he considered his options at various points in time. I’m sure he had discussions about trading Gaudreau. It’s been publicly acknowledged they discussed contract extensions last offseason. Through it all, the Flames have been loyal to Gaudreau, and I would bet my bottom dollar that if Gaudreau decides to leave it will be a very, very difficult decision.

I am still in that camp, he will sign, he isn't going anywhere. I believe the man when he says he wants to be here. The only way I see he walks is if the Flames don't pony up for him, in which case BT should be fired. If BT had any inkling Johnny was doing lip service then yes, he should have been traded last draft or offseason. Yes, it would have sucked if he had last season's numbers for some other team but at least we would have assets to show for it. I am pretty damn sure BT knows Johnny wants to stay and he will get it done, he would be an inept fool to get this far into it otherwise.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TOfan

For well over a year now you’ve been firmly in the ‘Gaidreau will sign’ camp. You were convinced. So, explain the logic as to why you’re now saying Treliving should be fired if Gaudreau leaves. These positions you’re taking, in relative close proximity, seem wildly at odds with one another.

If Treliving were to trade every pending UFA under the fear that they will walk, would the Flames be any better?

If that’s the case, Treliving should be looking to trade Lindholm right now.

Treliving did exactly what he should have. I strongly suspect he considered his options at various points in time. I’m sure he had discussions about trading Gaudreau. It’s been publicly acknowledged they discussed contract extensions last offseason. Through it all, the Flames have been loyal to Gaudreau, and I would bet my bottom dollar that if Gaudreau decides to leave it will be a very, very difficult decision.

Why should Treliving trade Lindholm 2 years before his contract expires? Next summer maybe? Hopefully I made your day knowing that Lindholm still has 2 years left at $4.85M

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Apparently you have zero reading comprehension skills. I said BT gambled on bring able to sign Gaudreau and if he can't get it done he should be fired. If he didn't want to take that gamble he should have traded him for assets. Period. Letting a 115 point winger in his prime walk for zero assets is a fireable offense. Anyone who thinks otherwise must be satisfied with mediocrity and ineptness. It was reported they tried to get a deal done before the season but didn't come to terms, he was open to signing then. We know this, full stop. So you are wrong.

There is another possibility. Treliving understood the risk of not signing or trading him and ownership signed off on it, as not wanting to punt the season.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Why should Treliving trade Lindholm 2 years before his contract expires? Next summer maybe? Hopefully I made your day knowing that Lindholm still has 2 years left at $4.85M

I was just trying to emphasize the point that if the Flames traded every player approaching UFA status, they would go nowhere. I don’t think the Flames should trade Lindholm now, or anytime soon, if ever.

The Flames and Gaudreau have had a good relationship. Otherwise, I bet, he would have been dealt by now. I think the Flames showing the loyalty and trust they have is a very important factor in all of this.

[atb]

Really hope Johnny signs here, but my feeling is teams like the Devils/Flyers/Isles will just be tough for Johnny to turn down in terms of proximity to family and significantly less travel.

Without Johnny I hope the Flames go in a rebuild direction, just don't see how the team could replace such a core player without rebuilding through the draft.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by atb

Really hope Johnny signs here, but my feeling is teams like the Devils/Flyers/Isles will just be tough for Johnny to turn down in terms of proximity to family and significantly less travel.

Without Johnny I hope the Flames go in a rebuild direction, just don't see how the team could replace such a core player without rebuilding through the draft.

The Flames are not heading into a rebuild this summer if they lose Gaudreau. Potentially next year once Sutter's deal expires, but there is no way the pull the trigger now. If Gaudreau moves on, the Flames will fill holes via UFA and trades, and see how the season turns out. If there is a rebuild on the horizon, the earliest it happens is TD 2023.

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