Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I wonder what Treliving will do if Johnny indicates that "Calgary is in the ballpark", but he wants to wait to see what kind of offers are out their in "UFA land" before he signs?

Gotta try to read how much Johnny values the 8th year vs. how much he really wants to explore the market vs. what is actually out there in the market for him.

I think NJD and CBJ might make the biggest offers.

NJD needs to sort out their goaltending and defence long-term, which is probably best done by trading young forwards and/or extending Severson/Graves. - which would pave the way for a Johnny signing. But if they can't find any suitable deals then they'd be better chasing UFAs like Kuemper/Campbell/Leddy.


CBJ has to figure out Laine (albeit less urgently), but with or without him I could see them back up the brinks truck for a game-breaker. It's unlikely they'll ever end up too tight to the cap (Voracek/Nyquist money comes off when they'll need to re-up RFAs). They also really need another solid RD (Manson, Colin Miller, or maybe even Gudbranson would fit the bill), but CBJ has quietly assembled a pretty great young roster.

Especially strong down the middle: Johnson-Sillinger-Jenner (28)-Roslovic (25), they've got a goalie and good young D...not losing anyone significant from a roster that put up 81 pts, but picking 6th and 12th. Tough division, but I think they could soon supplant PIT/WAS.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

But Johnny cannot be traded and have that team give him 8 years, so the 5 team NTC allow list is not relevant, as any deal would have to be a sign and trade, which Johnny is obviously involved in.

The 8th year isn’t nearly as big a deal as I think some are making it. It’s nice, but it’s not the deciding factor. Like, if someone is going to offer $11, and why wouldn’t they, he’s probably not staying here for $11 or 10.5.

I really think it’s going to take higher term and higher dollars. And it should. He’s an elite hockey player.

[Southside403]

I don't think Jonny comes back if he does then he loves it here. John's wife is from east having a baby with no family around is the challenge they are tight family 1st group.

[GS Skier]

Gaudreau’s 50/50 huh

80 million over 8 years obviously is 10 mil a year.
To match in 7 is 11,428,000

Tax havens? Florida and Nevada are the best with NHL teams however most other states including New York, New Jersey, Ohio, Michigan, Washington are on the other end of the spectrum.

Do Florida and Tampa have cap space to acquire a Guadreau as a free agent so Johnny can pay less taxes? Vegas has a few cap issues to mull over as well. California is terrible for high taxes.

Buffalo, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Detroit, Ottawa etc could possibly afford the 11.5 mil however those teams were all out of the playoffs before Xmas. Does 7th game, series winning, overtime goal scorer, Johnny want to start over from scratch?

If Treliving offers the guy 10-10.5 I think he’s untouchable by anyone else.

I say 80/20

[442scotty]

Probably going to require a huge signing bonus to get this done for Johnny

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

Gaudreau’s 50/50 huh

80 million over 8 years obviously is 10 mil a year.
To match in 7 is 11,428,000

Tax havens? Florida and Nevada are the best with NHL teams however most other states including New York, New Jersey, Ohio, Michigan, Washington are on the other end of the spectrum.

Do Florida and Tampa have cap space to acquire a Guadreau as a free agent so Johnny can pay less taxes? Vegas has a few cap issues to mull over as well. California is terrible for high taxes.

Buffalo, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Detroit, Ottawa etc could possibly afford the 11.5 mil however those teams were all out of the playoffs before Xmas. Does 7th game, series winning, overtime goal scorer, Johnny want to start over from scratch?

If Treliving offers the guy 10-10.5 I think he’s untouchable by anyone else.

I say 80/20

All this is true and would be the argument IF compensation is the only consideration. Although getting to UFA is the logical next step if it is.

That simply is not the case though.

Calgary has a lot of checkmarks in the "pro" column for sure. Not all of them however, and how much weight are given to those they don't have is also a big influence on what he ultimately decides.

[Manhattanboy]

I think we need a billboard with a message to Johnny that we want him here for a very long time.

Wonder if anyone has any connections with a sign company to get a good rate.

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Chucky messed up his hand in the first game of the playoffs fighting.

Probably was a stupid decision in hindsight, but I'd certainly hold off on saying he isn't clutch.

I’m fine with keeping him. I hope he matures. But I’d we were to move him, we could get some really good parts.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

I’m fine with keeping him. I hope he matures. But I’d we were to move him, we could get some really good parts.

If it's a sign and trade, sure. If it's for one year of Tkachuk I think we will be underwhelmed with the return.

[chedder]

Chucky had 6 less points than Draisaitl and had way more even strength points. This while not playing with Mcavi and averaging 4 minutes less per game. He's also 2 years younger. He has his warts but if he wants to be here I say you sign him for almost any amount within reason and hope he'll mature and improve in the playoffs. Draisaitl wasn't a great skater until the last couple of years either.

[MrMike]

Boston is looking at the same situation with Pastrnak, one year left to UFA. Tkachuk for Pastrnak one for one.

Tkachuk 2 years younger, and starts what looks to be a retooling for Boston.

Gaudreau with Pastrnak and Lindholm would be lethal, and I’d rather give 9mill plus to Pastrnak than Tkachuk.

[powderjunkie]

Everybody is different, but I suspect most agents explain to players why full NMC and signing bonus structure are more important than a final few % of AAV or tax considerations (which most people simplistically overstate)

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by chedder

Chucky had 6 less points than Draisaitl and had way more even strength points. This while not playing with Mcavi and averaging 4 minutes less per game. He's also 2 years younger. He has his warts but if he wants to be here I say you sign him for almost any amount within reason and hope he'll mature and improve in the playoffs. Draisaitl wasn't a great skater until the last couple of years either.

I respect the optimism but IMO Tkachuk is not the 2nd best player on a Stanley Cup winning team. There are many factors to be considered when finding the right way to move forward to the ultimate prize, is Tkachuk at 10 million one of the answers? I personally don't think so. He isn't wrong for wanting that kind of money for the regular season he had, but all to often he looks completely lost in the playoffs. By no means do I not want him on the team, but dollars matter in a cap world, and if he commands that kind of money I'm completely ok with moving him for hopefully a boat load of assets.

[blender]

Originally Posted by CGY12

I respect the optimism but IMO Tkachuk is not the 2nd best player on a Stanley Cup winning team. There are many factors to be considered when finding the right way to move forward to the ultimate prize, is Tkachuk at 10 million one of the answers? I personally don't think so. He isn't wrong for wanting that kind of money for the regular season he had, but all to often he looks completely lost in the playoffs. By no means do I not want him on the team, but dollars matter in a cap world, and if he commands that kind of money I'm completely ok with moving him for hopefully a boat load of assets.

He doesn't need to be. There is a decent case to be made that Lindholm is that player, but more importantly the second best player on the Flames needs to be their number 1 Defenceman. If you add a legitimate number 1 D to this team, you have a true contender IMO.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by blender

He doesn't need to be. There is a decent case to be made that Lindholm is that player, but more importantly the second best player on the Flames needs to be their number 1 Defenceman. If you add a legitimate number 1 D to this team, you have a true contender IMO.

You have to draft and develop #1D. Usually , but not always…top 3 in the draft.

See Hedman, Makar……and that guy with the Rangers.

[Mr.Coffee]

I don’t know if he will re-sign or not.

But what I do know, is that for the Flames to be in the current strategic predicament they are, is a huge F up by Treliving and as a manager, there are things he could have and should have done previously. If Gaudreau walks, the Flames are straight up F’ed.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I don’t know if he will re-sign or not.

But what I do know, is that for the Flames to be in the current strategic predicament they are, is a huge F up by Treliving and as a manager, there are things he could have and should have done previously. If Gaudreau walks, the Flames are straight up F’ed.

What are these things he should have done?

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by blender

He doesn't need to be. There is a decent case to be made that Lindholm is that player, but more importantly the second best player on the Flames needs to be their number 1 Defenceman. If you add a legitimate number 1 D to this team, you have a true contender IMO.

Ok let me clear that up, I do not believe Chucky and/or Lindholm can be your 2nd best forward/player on a Stanley Cup winning team. This is no slight against them, they are very good players and are very valuable to the team, but if the goal is the cup or building towards a consistent cup caliber team, they are awesome #3, 4, 5 players. Based on what I've seen, they aren't the guys that are the alpha horses that you need to win you a cup, again this doesn't mean they are bad, but a lot of their success in the o zone is dictated and determined by Johnny, who has the skill and IQ to elevate his teammates. In my opinion they don't possess that level of game, to the degree that can get us over the hump in the playoffs, as our 2nd/3rd best forward. Johnny needs a Rantanen, Point, Crysaitl, etc. to help him in crunch time.

To further clarify, Lindholm is awesome, he is super valuable to a good team, he's elite defensively, has an awesome shot, good offensive instincts, but as our #1 centre his offensive production is way to reliant on Johnny. Ideally we have a #1 centre that can dictate pace and create on his own. Lindy is the perfect 2nd line centre.

And before everyone jumps down my throat about regular season offensive numbers, my above opinion isn't based on regular season play, its completely about the playoffs and what we need to have to go up against the best of the best.

[Monahammer]

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[Erick Estrada]

Seems weird to guarantee a jersey in the stands and choice of letter. I could be totally wrong but I don't think that legacy stuff carries a lot of weight compared to money, term, and location. Also if that money is correct then I imagine it's a starting point as another team will easily be able to match or surpass that on a 7 year contract.