Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[ricardodw]

It will be interesting to see how much demand there is for Gaudreau on the open market. There would be lesser interest in Tkachuk as a team would have to give up assets as well as pay him like a UFA.

Are either on of these players the guy that carries a bubble team to a contender? What teams are going to give either of these guys a 10x7?

After a tremendous regular season where the Flames top line looked like a top line of a SC contender they fell off in the playoffs

Auston Matthews 2.07
Connor McDavid 1.94
Johnny Gaudreau 1.78
Cale Makar 1.77
Mitchell Marner 1.69
Matthew Tkachuk 1.67
Brad Marchand 1.6
Gabriel Landeskog 1.6
Mikko Rantanen 1.6
Nathan MacKinnon 1.6


Gaudreau had the 3rd highest Average Game score in the regular season and Tkachuk 6th highest

Marner fell off to 1.60 in the Playoffs, Matthews down to 1.79 Rantanen down to 1.53

Gaudreau fell to 1.22 and Tkachuk to .73. These were the biggest fall off by a lot of the must-have players.

The rest got better in the the playoffs or at least were within the margin of error of their regular season performance.

I guess that a team that desperately needs to make the playoffs would be willing to make either of these guys their highest paid players for the next 5-7 years but it would be really difficult to see top half of the league team alter their pay structure and go all in on either one.

In the playoffs Gaudreau had the 32th best Game Score
Tkachuk tied for 70th.

Game Score explained at Hockey Stats Cards

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

It will be interesting to see how much demand there is for Gaudreau on the open market. There would be lesser interest in Tkachuk as a team would have to give up assets as well as pay him like a UFA.

Are either on of these players the guy that carries a bubble team to a contender? What teams are going to give either of these guys a 10x7?

After a tremendous regular season where the Flames top line looked like a top line of a SC contender they fell off in the playoffs

Auston Matthews 2.07
Connor McDavid 1.94
Johnny Gaudreau 1.78
Cale Makar 1.77
Mitchell Marner 1.69
Matthew Tkachuk 1.67
Brad Marchand 1.6
Gabriel Landeskog 1.6
Mikko Rantanen 1.6
Nathan MacKinnon 1.6


Gaudreau had the 3rd highest Average Game score in the regular season and Tkachuk 6th highest

Marner fell off to 1.60 in the Playoffs, Matthews down to 1.79 Rantanen down to 1.53

Gaudreau fell to 1.22 and Tkachuk to .73. These were the biggest fall off by a lot of the must-have players.

The rest got better in the the playoffs or at least were within the margin of error of their regular season performance.

I guess that a team that desperately needs to make the playoffs would be willing to make either of these guys their highest paid players for the next 5-7 years but it would be really difficult to see top half of the league team alter their pay structure and go all in on either one.

In the playoffs Gaudreau had the 32th best Game Score
Tkachuk tied for 70th.

Game Score explained at Hockey Stats Cards

The flaw in this is playoffs is a small sample size

I would say more teams are interested in Tkachuk than Gaudreau

Tkachuk’s problem in the playoffs is mental. Johnny’s physical. I would say it’s easier to fix his head.

Team that trade for Tkachuk would trade players of comparable salaries.

Anyway this playoffs was the first step as Sutter said. It’s shown that they both can perform in the playoffs. They just need to take the next steps

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

The flaw in this is playoffs is a small sample size

I would say more teams are interested in Tkachuk than Gaudreau

Tkachuk’s problem in the playoffs is mental. Johnny’s physical. I would say it’s easier to fix his head.

Team that trade for Tkachuk would trade players of comparable salaries.

Anyway this playoffs was the first step as Sutter said. It’s shown that they both can perform in the playoffs. They just need to take the next steps

Johnny will cost only money.

Tkachuk will cost players and comparable money. And if Tkachuk will not agree to a deal as part of the trade, interest in him will decrease greatly. He then becomes potentially a one year rental, with corresponding trade value.

Tkachuk could be traded for prospects/futures if Calgary wants.

[djsFlames]

Still refuse to believe Johnny seriously entertains going anywhere else. Has too much character to bail on his squad here after a tough ending where they finally saw some success. Too many friends and roots now. Has a chance to own franchise records if he re-ups. Wouldn't have a shot at that if he splits his career elsewhere.

Philly and NJ suck. He'd be way worse off over there, aside from proximity to family.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Still refuse to believe Johnny seriously entertains going anywhere else. Has too much character to bail on his squad here after a tough ending where they finally saw some success. Too many friends and roots now. Has a chance to own franchise records if he re-ups. Wouldn't have a shot at that if he splits his career elsewhere.

Philly and NJ suck. He'd be way worse off over there, aside from proximity to family.

Yeah, but it's also a life choice.

I'd hold no ill-will towards Johnny if he were to head back to the East coast. Dude has a kid on the way, is recently married, and his family is all out there. Those are important things.

If he stays? What a win for the Calgary Flames. Getting a player of his quality to choose to stay in Calgary would be a big win. I hope he stays, but will cheer him on anywhere he goes (except for when he plays against the Flames).

This entire playoff run I told myself to just enjoy what we get to see as it may be Chucky and Johnny's final games as a Flame, and I thought they both played great. Things can happen so quickly, and people are always so quick to place blame - but Johnny put up 14 points in 12 games while shooting 5.8% and Chucky put up 10 points in 12 games. They both had strong playoffs, and I really hope they're back long-term. I think if Markstrom, Hanifin and Andersson don't completely crumble against Edmonton (and I think Tanev's injury had a big impact on those three things happening), this team wins that series.

My dream scenario is that we keep Johnny, Chucky, Mang, and somehow acquire Chychrun. That'd give us the defensive depth needed to overcome an injury to a top guy like Tanev.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

It will be interesting to see how much demand there is for Gaudreau on the open market. There would be lesser interest in Tkachuk as a team would have to give up assets as well as pay him like a UFA.

Are either on of these players the guy that carries a bubble team to a contender? What teams are going to give either of these guys a 10x7?

After a tremendous regular season where the Flames top line looked like a top line of a SC contender they fell off in the playoffs

Auston Matthews 2.07
Connor McDavid 1.94
Johnny Gaudreau 1.78
Cale Makar 1.77
Mitchell Marner 1.69
Matthew Tkachuk 1.67
Brad Marchand 1.6
Gabriel Landeskog 1.6
Mikko Rantanen 1.6
Nathan MacKinnon 1.6


Gaudreau had the 3rd highest Average Game score in the regular season and Tkachuk 6th highest

Marner fell off to 1.60 in the Playoffs, Matthews down to 1.79 Rantanen down to 1.53

Gaudreau fell to 1.22 and Tkachuk to .73. These were the biggest fall off by a lot of the must-have players.

The rest got better in the the playoffs or at least were within the margin of error of their regular season performance.

I guess that a team that desperately needs to make the playoffs would be willing to make either of these guys their highest paid players for the next 5-7 years but it would be really difficult to see top half of the league team alter their pay structure and go all in on either one.

In the playoffs Gaudreau had the 32th best Game Score
Tkachuk tied for 70th.

Game Score explained at Hockey Stats Cards

meanwhile teams were falling over themselves to get broken neck, 80 point career high, no playoffs ever, $10M Eichel who they actually had to give up assets for.

Gaudreau will have a MASSIVE market should he get to UFA...no scoring over a 100 point pace in the playoffs won't hurt him.

[Roof-Daddy]

I'm going to guess that Johnny signs with the Preds.

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I'm going to guess that Johnny signs with the Preds.

Keep the Catholic Church out of this, please

[PuckSlap]

Johnny needs better support. Chucky doesn’t seem to be able to clutch when needed. I’m fine keeping Johnny and moving chucky. But get some good pieces.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If Gaudreau wants to stay it will get done probably well before free agency. If the Flames offer him 10.5 x 8 years he is not getting more than that from another team on a 7 year deal. I would not be surprised if JG is done within the next 2 weeks.

I would be surprised if anything happens before the end of the SCF.

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[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

Johnny needs better support. Chucky doesn’t seem to be able to clutch when needed. I’m fine keeping Johnny and moving chucky. But get some good pieces.

Chucky messed up his hand in the first game of the playoffs fighting.

Probably was a stupid decision in hindsight, but I'd certainly hold off on saying he isn't clutch.

[dino7c]

Tkachuk is also 24, a lot of clutch players weren't clutch yet at his age

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Chucky messed up his hand in the first game of the playoffs fighting.

Probably was a stupid decision in hindsight, but I'd certainly hold off on saying he isn't clutch.

Dude also scored a hatty to give us our only win in round 2, and had a very good game 7 performance against Dallas.

I think it's silly to say Chucky isn't "clutch". Just seems like people looking for something to complain about.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Tkachuk is also 24, a lot of clutch players weren't clutch yet at his age

Plus he has had plenty of clutch moments in his career to lead one to believe he will mature into a top end clutch playoff guy.

Last second shot between the legs against Nashville
Another last second shot scored this season
I recall him scoring multiple goals including with the goalie pulled against Buffalo a few years ago
Memorial cup OT winner

Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Lindholm make up a dominant NHL line. This year they all played to superstar levels and I think they can for the next few years.

I really hope Treliving finds a way to keep them here long term

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

The flaw in this is playoffs is a small sample size

I would say more teams are interested in Tkachuk than Gaudreau

Tkachuk’s problem in the playoffs is mental. Johnny’s physical. I would say it’s easier to fix his head.

Team that trade for Tkachuk would trade players of comparable salaries.

Anyway this playoffs was the first step as Sutter said. It’s shown that they both can perform in the playoffs. They just need to take the next steps

I don't agree with Sutter. They won a series sure . They did that under Glue gun too. Then followed up a second round exit winning 1 and losing 4 in a row. They also only one a game in 2015 vs the ducks.

I don't see that as progress. I see the trend Johnny not showing up in the play offs each and every time. He scored an absolutely lucky goal to limp the Flames past a team Calgary should have handled quickly .

I don't want to uave JG leave but I wouldn't be sad to see that extra cash go towards filling out the rest of the roster . I think the back half of the contract is going to be an anchor. I think putting that much in for both these players we will end up the Buffalo of the West.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

I don't agree with Sutter. They won a series sure . They did that under Glue gun too. Then followed up a second round exit winning 1 and losing 4 in a row. They also only one a game in 2015 vs the ducks.

I don't see that as progress. I see the trend Johnny not showing up in the play offs each and every time. He scored an absolutely lucky goal to limp the Flames past a team Calgary should have handled quickly .

I don't want to uave JG leave but I wouldn't be sad to see that extra cash go towards filling out the rest of the roster . I think the back half of the contract is going to be an anchor. I think putting that much in for both these players we will end up the Buffalo of the West.

They did what now?

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

They did what now?

#### meant Hartley. The Flames have had so much suck in the last 3 decades plus hard to keep which coach they sucked under straight.

[beaster]

He is a horrible skater that will never make him a game changer. That's why he dropped in the draft and the Flames got him.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by beaster

He is a horrible skater that will never make him a game changer. That's why he dropped in the draft and the Flames got him.

Of the top 10 he would go 2 in a redraft. 3 after Fox in a total redraft

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Still refuse to believe Johnny seriously entertains going anywhere else. Has too much character to bail on his squad here after a tough ending where they finally saw some success. Too many friends and roots now. Has a chance to own franchise records if he re-ups. Wouldn't have a shot at that if he splits his career elsewhere.

Philly and NJ suck. He'd be way worse off over there, aside from proximity to family.

What hockey team someone plays for has near zero correlation with their character.

And watching these guys play hockey doesn’t give us much insight into their character anyway.