Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Toonage

So, what would the mood be here if Gaudreau signed a $12.5M per ($100 million deal)?

Better than losing him for nothing IMO, but disappointed that he didn't take a smaller AAV to help build a team around him.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

True. The only thing is you have to know McDavid was where Draisaitl would pass to 99% of the time. And I don’t know who was on point, but I’d much rather he be shooting or handling the puck than McDavid (who had escaped Lindy).

So just throw the defensive scheme and structure out the window and everybody cover McDavid? You have to trust everyone will do their job, or you end up with no structure.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

He just got burned on a read. He saw Drai with it on the half wall, and turned up to take away the pass to the point. Obviously he didn't know McDavid had found some open ice in the slot behind him. McDavid getting open was the real breakdown on that play. Once Drai saw him, he was going to make that pass whether Johnny closed on him or not.

The guy had one of the greatest 5v5 regular seasons of all time, lead the league in +/- and even had 11 more 5v5 points in 12 playoff games. He didn't mail it in. If McDavid had proper coverage, that puck likely goes up to the point and Johnny looks like his usual genius self.

Exactly.

That play is on Hanifin. But far more importantly, if Markstrom makes the save - like he should have - it is never mentioned again.

[Icantwhisper]

I don't see him signing till he has at least seen the other offers the week before free agency starts

[Roof-Daddy]

I really wonder how much not having a new arena to look forward to is going to factor into Johnny and Matty's decisions.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

So just throw the defensive scheme and structure out the window and everybody cover McDavid? You have to trust everyone will do their job, or you end up with no structure.

There's a lot of grey between completely selling out and being completely rigid to your structure. It seems pretty obvious that structure/trust wasn't containing those bozos in that series...is it really a crazy adjustment to have your wingers (and only your wingers) cheat a bit if it means the Oilers will have to beat you from the blue line?

[UKflames]

I'm very much in the minority here but I would rather keep chucky than Gaudreau, if we can only keep one. MT just gives me serious Mackinnon vibes, someone who did ok in his first seasons, then went to another level, before becoming the driving force that he is now. (I've not done any point or season comparisons by the way).
I would love for JG to stay, if we could afford both, but when you take everything into account MT would be my choice if it we could only afford one.

I also don't understand this theory that if JG goes we should rebuild, one player doesn't make a team, regardless of how good his previous season was. People seem to have forgotten he struggled in previous playoffs.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by UKflames

MT just gives me serious Mackinnon vibes

wow...no

[BlindMilwaukee]

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[BlindMilwaukee]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

There's a lot of grey between completely selling out and being completely rigid to your structure. It seems pretty obvious that structure/trust wasn't containing those bozos in that series...is it really a crazy adjustment to have your wingers (and only your wingers) cheat a bit if it means the Oilers will have to beat you from the blue line?

But then you have to endure the always feared Bouch Bomb.
/s

[agulati]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

I don't see him signing till he has at least seen the other offers the week before free agency starts

I believe they got rid of the interview/courting period in the new CBA.

[jayswin]

Yaah, if Gaudureau gets to the point of seeing what other teams have to offer, he's gone, as I believe we lose the ability to go eight years as soon as free agency starts. If he believes Calgary is the team to sign with he will do it before then to get the eight years.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Ultimately the problem with the Gaudreau line in the series was McDavid. The line did not perform well defensively against them.

At the same time, McDavid is on a generational (or beyond) tear right now and it's kind of hard to fault them. Nobody can stop him right now.

Except Devon Toews and Cale Makar.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Except Devon Toews and Cale Makar.

The guy has 3 points in 2 games (123 point regular season rate).

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by Toonage

So, what would the mood be here if Gaudreau signed a $12.5M per ($100 million deal)?

Hard pass from me - as much as I love Gaudreau. The back half of that deal is likely to kill the Flames' chances of both trading the player or building a good team around him.

Without regard for contract structure compliance (since I'm too lazy to look it up), I'd prefer to see something that rewards Johnny in years 1 and 2, and then declines thereafter to reflect his age and likely declining performance. Something like 11-11-10-10-9-8-7-7. I still see that as a rich contract for what Johnny brings and the fact he'll be in his thirties for basically the duration.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

The guy has 3 points in 2 games (123 point regular season rate).

Yup, gone through 2 series where goaltending was substandard. Got some freebie points in Game 1. Sure the Avs aren't seriously upset to let McScoringRace have his points if he keeps being himself on the other side of the puck and being a minus player. Said it 1000 times, you don't win Championships with guys like McDavid.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Toonage

So, what would the mood be here if Gaudreau signed a $12.5M per ($100 million deal)?

As much as it would suck to lose him for nothing, I don't think you can win with Gaudreau making that kind of money.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by chedder

Run him out of town isn't quite what many were saying. He wasn't great in '19/20 or '20/21, his playoff performance was lacking and his contract was coming due. People just thought maybe you try get some return for him while the team still had that option.

No some were. Hence why i changed my profile pic to him in a Flyers jersey. It was embarrassing and we did not deserve him.

I mean he got Tkahcuk to 100 points!!!! that is Makarov- Gary Roberts level!!

His first born is going to be named Johnny Tkachuk.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

So just throw the defensive scheme and structure out the window and everybody cover McDavid? You have to trust everyone will do their job, or you end up with no structure.

He wasn't that close to the D. But yeah, if you see Draisaitl with the puck on the wall and McDavid uncovered in the slot, versus whoever on the point, you may want to adjust your coverage.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by UKflames

I'm very much in the minority here but I would rather keep chucky than Gaudreau, if we can only keep one. MT just gives me serious Mackinnon vibes, someone who did ok in his first seasons, then went to another level, before becoming the driving force that he is now. (I've not done any point or season comparisons by the way).
I would love for JG to stay, if we could afford both, but when you take everything into account MT would be my choice if it we could only afford one.

I also don't understand this theory that if JG goes we should rebuild, one player doesn't make a team, regardless of how good his previous season was. People seem to have forgotten he struggled in previous playoffs.

I think the free agent status is the reason Gaudreau is the more critical piece to retain long term. If Chucky decides he doesn’t want to stay or the Flames can’t afford him he becomes a great trade chip for the team where they can likely get good picks, prospects or players in return. With Johnny if he leaves the team is left with nothing (maybe a late pick for his negotiating rights).

Both are such key pieces but what kind of sucks just like the Iginla era we are building a team where wingers are the top end of the franchise and not centers or Dmen