Post Mortem : What happens now?

[Jore]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Sooo, sign Zadorov, trade Hanifin? Would be ballsy but I wouldn’t be against it.

Also, from an asset management position, sign free player, trade one for assets rather than losing one for free.

I don't think Zadorov would be an adequate replacement. Someone like H. Lindholm would have been perfect, or a Parayko before he rescued his value this season. But I agree, trading Hanifin for assets and signing a guy who doesn't score more points but plays vastly better defensively would be a coup.

[dammage79]

Hanifin had a great year and the entire team pooped the bed against Edmonton. Just a fair reminder that Hanifin is younger than Andersson and they make up a pretty great top 2 d pairing .

With guys that young you don't cut bait . You allow their continued development to carry on. This year was real time real world experience and they'll learn from it.

As far as the D goes on the Flames, they have to decide who their fillers will be because I think they're pretty happy overall with the youth (Andersson, Hanifin, Kylington) and Tanev.

It'll be up to Zads and Gud who gets replaced and with whom. Do they pull some kids from the farm? Did Stone earn a more full time role?

[Poe969]

I like the looks of Hanifin- Anderson and Tanev - Kylington but the issue is there isn't a real #1 in there. They don't have a guy back there who could be a game changer. Gio was that guy but he's gone and they miss having that. They don't miss him, they miss having someone like him. The best way to get a guy like that I to draft them (or let another team draft them and hope that kid acts like a spoiled little #### and find a stupid loophole to come to your team).

[Roof-Daddy]

I've never been the biggest Hanifin fan, decent Dman but IMO he's over rated.

Still though, he had a pretty strong year and you don't move him out unless you have a clear upgrade in place.

[Vinny01]

I thought Hanifin was great this year. Top pairing D on a top 3 team in goals against scoring 48pts for slightly less than $5M.

If there is a good succession plan I would be open to trading him but I think he is full value for what the team is paying. The fact Hanifin is the highest paid D on the team shows there are some steals on the blueline but also lacking that real high end piece.

Priorities:
1. Keep superstars
2. Add a second line C who is better than Backlund
3. Upgrade the blueline

Pretty impossible task for Treliving

[Jore]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Hanifin had a great year and the entire team pooped the bed against Edmonton. Just a fair reminder that Hanifin is younger than Andersson and they make up a pretty great top 2 d pairing .

With guys that young you don't cut bait . You allow their continued development to carry on. This year was real time real world experience and they'll learn from it.

As far as the D goes on the Flames, they have to decide who their fillers will be because I think they're pretty happy overall with the youth (Andersson, Hanifin, Kylington) and Tanev.

It'll be up to Zads and Gud who gets replaced and with whom. Do they pull some kids from the farm? Did Stone earn a more full time role?

He had a good year by counting stats, but his point totals were inflated by secondary assists from higher overall team and league scoring. His primary points (goals+first assists, 14) weren't that different from his totals the year before (10) or 2019-2020 (13). His defensive metrics were nothing to write home about either. He was the second leakiest defender at expected goals against/60 and was on the ice for the most amount of actual goals against, 2nd when adjusted for ice time.

In the playoffs, he was by far the worst defender both offensively and defensively, generating nothing on the puck and surrendering the most without it. Andersson gave up 1 more goal than him but was on the ice for 4 more.

He's young but has played more than 500 games. I've seen nothing about his play in the playoffs that suggested he's improved in a pressure situation since Colorado.

Could he improve? Maybe, but I'm ready to move on and think that there are enough teams liking his profile to make a trade worthwhile. It seems like he could bring in more value through trade+replacing him than his on-ice value for the Flames.

[CliffFletcher]

People cite Hanifin’s age as reason for optimism about future growth. But as Jore says, he’s played more than 500 games in the NHL. He’s likely close to the finished product. As fans of a team that Dion Phaneuf and Dougie Hamilton had prominent roles on, we should understand that NHL defencemen don’t inevitably improve in the areas they’re weak in. Some guys have trouble processing the game and make bad plays under pressure right through their careers.

[PeteMoss]

I'm not stuck on having Hanifan around - but if you move him - you have to find a replacement who can play top pair and is paid less than $5 million - those guys aren't exactly growing on trees.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

People cite Hanifin’s age as reason for optimism about future growth. But as Jore says, he’s played more than 500 games in the NHL. He’s likely close to the finished product. As fans of a team that Dion Phaneuf and Dougie Hamilton had prominent roles on, we should understand that NHL defencemen don’t inevitably improve in the areas they’re weak in. Some guys have trouble processing the game and make bad plays under pressure right through their careers.

Funny thing is many people said this about Hanifin before this season. He is what he is but then he shatters his career high in points and plays top pairing minutes really for the first time and the team finished top 3 in goals against during the season.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Funny thing is many people said this about Hanifin before this season. He is what he is but then he shatters his career high in points and plays top pairing minutes really for the first time and the team finished top 3 in goals against during the season.

But they were wrong before but this time they are right.....

[Bonded]

Who could the Flames get that is better value than Hanifin? He still gets paid like a top 4 dman even if he ends up on the second pairing.


Kylington is the wildcard on defense, he was a bottom pairing guy without Tanev and pure chaos. I could see him regressing next year

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

People cite Hanifin’s age as reason for optimism about future growth. But as Jore says, he’s played more than 500 games in the NHL. He’s likely close to the finished product. As fans of a team that Dion Phaneuf and Dougie Hamilton had prominent roles on, we should understand that NHL defencemen don’t inevitably improve in the areas they’re weak in. Some guys have trouble processing the game and make bad plays under pressure right through their careers.

He's played a lot of games because he entered the league at 18 - far too early. But that's how Carolina rolled back in the day.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Who could the Flames get that is better value than Hanifin? He still gets paid like a top 4 dman even if he ends up on the second pairing.


Kylington is the wildcard on defense, he was a bottom pairing guy without Tanev and pure chaos. I could see him regressing next year

Hanifin is fine if he is a 2nd pairing dman

The problem is the Flames have no 1st pair and use Andersson and Hanifin as such. All the contenders have better first pairs.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Hanifin is fine if he is a 2nd pairing dman

The problem is the Flames have no 1st pair and use Andersson and Hanifin as such. All the contenders have better first pairs.

First pairing defensemen don't grow on trees. You have to draft them early most of the time which requires being bad (not likely going to happen in the immediate future) or you overpay in free agency to get their declining years. I'm not so sure the team is any better overpaying and overcommitting to a guy like Pietrangelo (who's best days look behind him) than they are with a bunch of 2nd pairing defensemen playing on affordable contracts.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Hanifin is fine if he is a 2nd pairing dman

The problem is the Flames have no 1st pair and use Andersson and Hanifin as such. All the contenders have better first pairs.

Are the Oil a contender? They don't. Lightning? Hedman is obviously elite but Cernak? Ditto Rangers with Lindgren.

[Shazam]

Fox?

[GioforPM]

Hanifin is Jaybo all over again. Disliked when he's here because things are expected that are not his game, missed when he's gone because it turns out he's a big contributor when used right.

Hanifin had a bad series against Edmonton especially game 5. But he's also been given the biggest tasks.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Fox?

We're talking pairings. Just like TB with Hedman and Cernak (who I would never trade for either Hanifin or Andersson), NYR has Fox and Lindgren (same as Cernak).

[Shazam]

lol I have no idea what the Rags' pairings are.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Shazam

lol I have no idea what the Rags' pairings are.

Fox-Lindgren
Trouba-Miller
Braun-Schneider