Is this Treliving's toughest offseason?

[Poe969]

If looch wants to stay, his 10 teams will be teams he know can't or won't take him. Teams that are close to the cap. The only way Lucic isn't on the Flames next year is if he retires and takes a job with the team, which I'd love for various reasons.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If that is what it takes to keep Johnny then he is lying about wanting to stay here.

I was simply responding to the post that said keep him at any cost.

I believe Johnny has indicated that he would be willing to stay if a deal can be worked out. After the season he just had, that cost will be high. I even think that Johnny had a good playoff.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I was simply responding to the post that said keep him at any cost.

I believe Johnny has indicated that he would be willing to stay if a deal can be worked out. After the season he just had, that cost will be high. I even think that Johnny had a good playoff.

I understand that but obviously that poster meant within the realm of realism and possibility. Johnny won’t get 16.5 from anyone so when you come back asking the question about that absurd number then the only response can be no and if that is what it takes then he wasn’t truly genuine in his post season media scrum.

Johnny will need to be one of the highest paid wingers in the league but his cap hit is coming in lower than McDavid that is for sure so do the Flames want to pay 11-12M? Likely not but if $11M is the number I am not sure they decide to walk away from that

[Toonage]

I would imagine Gaudreau will come in around what Marner & Panarin are making. Market be damned.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I understand that but obviously that poster meant within the realm of realism and possibility. Johnny won’t get 16.5 from anyone so when you come back asking the question about that absurd number then the only response can be no and if that is what it takes then he wasn’t truly genuine in his post season media scrum.

Johnny will need to be one of the highest paid wingers in the league but his cap hit is coming in lower than McDavid that is for sure so do the Flames want to pay 11-12M? Likely not but if $11M is the number I am not sure they decide to walk away from that

I know, but I have no idea what the poster really meant in terms of maximum payout.

I assume Johnny wants Panarin type money. Calgary likely needs to be prepared to pay that to keep him. Johnny holds all the cards now.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

There's just no way. If Johnny leaves they will re-sign Tkachuk and then try to sign someone via free agency to replace Johnny.

If Gaudreau walks, Treliving will be on the phone to Forsberg’s agent within minutes. Probably Kadri’s too.

Edit: Just saw your post where you say the same thing.

[Roof-Daddy]

Panarin got $81,500,000 million over 7 years. Full NMC

AAV was 14.29% of the cap at the time.

14.29% of the $82,500,000 projected cap is now $11,789,250 AAV

Flames still have that 8th year in their pocket though.

$11,789,250 x 7 is $82,524,750

Divide that by the 8th year though and the AAV is now $10,315,593

Just crunching numbers.

I would guess Johnny will receive somewhere around $85,000,000 total, maybe even up around $90,000,000 total.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Panarin got $81,500,000 million over 7 years. Full NMC

AAV was 14.29% of the cap at the time.

14.29% of the $82,500,000 projected cap is now $11,789,250 AAV

Flames still have that 8th year in their pocket though.

$11,789,250 x 7 is $82,524,750

Divide that by the 8th year though and the AAV is now $10,315,593

Just crunching numbers.

I would guess Johnny will receive somewhere around $85,000,000 total, maybe even up around $90,000,000 total.

Yeah, if we're to keep Johnny I'd expect the total value to land somewhere right around $88M over 8 years. Ditto with Tkachuk if we're going to get him locked in long-term. Which when we look at it is still well below where top players were once paid (Iggy eating up 17.95% of the cap in 05/06). It's pretty easy to see how Johnny could eclipse $90M though...$11.25M AAV? He's worth it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Panarin got $81,500,000 million over 7 years. Full NMC

AAV was 14.29% of the cap at the time.

14.29% of the $82,500,000 projected cap is now $11,789,250 AAV

Flames still have that 8th year in their pocket though.

$11,789,250 x 7 is $82,524,750

Divide that by the 8th year though and the AAV is now $10,315,593

Just crunching numbers.

I would guess Johnny will receive somewhere around $85,000,000 total, maybe even up around $90,000,000 total.

Panarin’s contract was stupid though, and as far as I can see, not really replicated. The only two who are close are RWs Stone and Marner. And even they are a bit rich considering their results. That all said I’m betting $10.5 is the number.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Poe969

If looch wants to stay, his 10 teams will be teams he know can't or won't take him. Teams that are close to the cap. The only way Lucic isn't on the Flames next year is if he retires and takes a job with the team, which I'd love for various reasons.

Or is fine going to another team because he is a professional and understands the leagues economics and may even play a bigger role and set himself up better for his next contract

I remember a lot of the same concerns that Lucic wouldn’t waive his no movement clause for the expansion draft

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Panarin’s contract was stupid though, and as far as I can see, not really replicated. The only two who are close are RWs Stone and Marner. And even they are a bit rich considering their results. That all said I’m betting $10.5 is the number.

Remember the last year contracts weren't stupid? Me neither, always going to be some crazy money thrown around

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Or is fine going to another team because he is a professional and understands the leagues economics and may even play a bigger role and set himself up better for his next contract

I remember a lot of the same concerns that Lucic wouldn’t waive his no movement clause for the expansion draft

I think most posters knew he'd waive because he had zero chance to be selected.

[dino7c]

With an 8x10.5 deal another team would need to give Gaudreau 12x7 to match the dollar figure

[DinnerDog]

He's going to end up with over $120M in career earnings, I really don't believe this will come down to money. He's not going to leave/stay for +/- $5,000,000 total.

[MikeMc]

Originally Posted by dino7c

With an 8x10.5 deal another team would need to give Gaudreau 12x7 to match the dollar figure

8th year is only available before the June 13th free agency window opens, I think?

Meaning you have 43 days to sign Johnny.

[Saqe]

He'll take a discount if he stays, I can't see him making more than Barkov or Point. Around 10 million max. Comes down to whether he wants to stay or not.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Or is fine going to another team because he is a professional and understands the leagues economics and may even play a bigger role and set himself up better for his next contract

I remember a lot of the same concerns that Lucic wouldn’t waive his no movement clause for the expansion draft

You are right about him being a pro and understanding league economics. However, I don't know if anyone expects Lucic to have a next contract.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Saqe

He'll take a discount if he stays, I can't see him making more than Barkov or Point. Around 10 million max. Comes down to whether he wants to stay or not.

why not? Florida vs. Calgary and he outscored them both this season

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Saqe

He'll take a discount if he stays, I can't see him making more than Barkov or Point. Around 10 million max. Comes down to whether he wants to stay or not.

Barkov makes $10M, silly tax calculators online show that as like $6.4M take-home.

For Gaudreau to take $6.4M home in Calgary, he'd need something like $12.4M AAV.

(this was just using random income tax calculators)

Also, you have to think about a premium for living in Alberta, and not Florida - which I think is a very real thing, and not some made up stuff. It's harder to be a pro hockey player in Canada than it is in the southern states. Weather, population, etc. etc. etc.

Johnny's AAV will absolutely be higher than Barkov and Point's.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Remember the last year contracts weren't stupid? Me neither, always going to be some crazy money thrown around

Not like Panarin’s, and remember that was a few years ago now. I think the comparable is Marner, even though that was an RFA contract (RFA status is meaning less and less on the high end).