Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[GioforPM]

Mangiapane's price tag has been pretty much set by the market via a few recent signings. Somewhere around $5M. Gaudreau's - who knows. I'm guessing around $10.

Tkachuk you need to qualify. And then maybe trade to someone who can extend him for 8 more years after that. St. Louis is about to get done in in the second round, just like Calgary, so maybe there's a hockey trade to make. They have some nice young pieces, but probably not willing to part with Kyrou or Thomas. But maybe Barbashev, Buchnevich, Schenn or Saad+?

I think you need to assess 2C after seeing how Monahan's surgery goes. If it's not good you have to trade him at a loss. Or buyout, but obviously trade is better, even with retention. Ditto Lucic, though if you have to eat one more year of him I'm OK, depending on the budget.

Keep Lindholm, Backlund, Jarnkrok, Dube, Coleman, see what Lewis wants. Toffoli was a disappointment in the POs but he's not that expensive and he can be better IMO.

Can't re-sign Z though I'm happy with him. Re-sign Gud, Stone. I think you keep Hanifin despite a poor PO, and you keep Rasmus, Tanev, Kylington, and hope that the farm kids take more steps.

Goalies stay the same unless Wolf forces the hand.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Mangiapane's price tag has been pretty much set by the market via a few recent signings. Somewhere around $5M. Gaudreau's - who knows. I'm guessing around $10.

Tkachuk you need to qualify. And then maybe trade to someone who can extend him for 8 more years after that. St. Louis is about to get done in in the second round, just like Calgary, so maybe there's a hockey trade to make. They have some nice young pieces, but probably not willing to part with Kyrou or Thomas. But maybe Barbashev, Buchnevich, Schenn or Saad+?

I think you need to assess 2C after seeing how Monahan's surgery goes. If it's not good you have to trade him at a loss. Or buyout, but obviously trade is better, even with retention. Ditto Lucic, though if you have to eat one more year of him I'm OK, depending on the budget.

Keep Lindholm, Backlund, Jarnkrok, Dube, Coleman, see what Lewis wants. Toffoli was a disappointment in the POs but he's not that expensive and he can be better IMO.

Can't re-sign Z though I'm happy with him. Re-sign Gud, Stone. I think you keep Hanifin despite a poor PO, and you keep Rasmus, Tanev, Kylington, and hope that the farm kids take more steps.

Goalies stay the same unless Wolf forces the hand.

No to that Blues deal. Any deal with the Blues starts with Kyrou or they can go pound sand.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by camm13

I was with you until you said Malkin. He'd take a pay cut to stay in Pittsburgh I imagine. If not, its hard to believe he'd be interesting in coming here.

A healthy Malkin, even at his age would be a huge boost to the team, if he is on LTIR permanently because of his injuries, not the end of the world for Calgary.

If Gaudreau leaves, it has to be a full rebuild, I can't see Tkachuk wanting to stay at that point, and he may want to leave anyways.

I guess a full rebuild is a distinct possibility and could happen sooner then expected. I would not be adverse to it, reality is it is going to be very hard to beat Edmonton or Colorado, they have the superstars that time and time again are always the ones that carry teams to championships

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No to that Blues deal. Any deal with the Blues starts with Kyrou or they can go pound sand.

If the Flames move on from Tkachuk they cannot replace him with older players in a quality for quantity deal.

Ideally it would be for young cost controlled players that helps free up the money to keep Johnny here as well as make other necessary changes.

[BrennyBaller]

Not sure if it's been posted or not, but I've seen Devils fans saying trade #2 pick for Tkachuk

[Roof-Daddy]

Whether Johnny stays or not, I think I am fine with the Flames trading Tkachuk as long as they can get a solid return.

Personally, I think you'd be selling high because I don't think he'll repeat that season again and to be honest, his skating ability is very concerning. When he inevitably loses a step his production will likely fall off a cliff.

I wonder what Ottawa would offer in order to get the Tkachuk brothers together?
I've always thought that a Tkachuk/Barzal swap would make sense too, and after a 100+ point season might be the time to try it. Would love to get faster and deeper down the middle.


I sure do hope Johnny stays though. My god he will leave a massive hole in the roster if he leaves, despite his tiny size.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Not to the level of a 24 year old 100 point player

One has yet to show up in the playoffs. One has performed well in playoffs on more than one occasion, and has a cup

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Francis on the Marek show this morning already regurgitating his opinion that these players will be in his words "heading off for greener pastures".

What are “ greener pastures”? Because none of the teams that were in the final 8 will be in a position to sign either player. Dumb take. Once again.
However, I’m definitely in the trade Tkachuk camp for a massive return, as his value is likely never going to be higher.

[Ashasx]

completely wrong thread, my bad

Freeway had a good breakdown of the OT goal last night

https://twitter.com/user/status/1530239224900857857

[GioforPM]

Yeah Pike's exactly right there. Hanifin was a little slow on decision making all night and ended up eating the puck on more than one occasion where it could have been avoided with a quicker pass. And everyone else was too passive, and of course no save.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I wonder what Ottawa would offer in order to get the Tkachuk brothers together?

Tkachuk for Chabot?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Tkachuk for Chabot?

Yeah, something like that might work too.

Get that legit #1 Dman in his prime locked up with term

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yeah Pike's exactly right there. Hanifin was a little slow on decision making all night and ended up eating the puck on more than one occasion where it could have been avoided with a quicker pass. And everyone else was too passive, and of course no save.

Hanifin was doing this very thing throughout the playoffs. I remember screaming at him in the Dallas series as well. No poise or desire to absorb contact and make a better play. Just throw the puck away because big rough & tough McDavid was coming after you to put you through the glass.

There’s a reason why Hanifin finished -11 in 12 games which I can only imagine was a team worst. The Oilers probably picked up on this in their video sessions and targeted him.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Buff

One has yet to show up in the playoffs. One has performed well in playoffs on more than one occasion, and has a cup

come on that would be a terrible trade
and Tkachuk has more playoff points than Tarasenko this year

I would trade Tkachuk for a haul but lets not be ridiculous

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Hanifin was doing this very thing throughout the playoffs. I remember screaming at him in the Dallas series as well. No poise or desire to absorb contact and make a better play. Just throw the puck away because big rough & tough McDavid was coming after you to put you through the glass.

There’s a reason why Hanifin finished -11 in 12 games which I can only imagine was a team worst. The Oilers probably picked up on this in their video sessions and targeted him.

because he played mostly against the McDavid line with .852 goaltending

[Nadal Fan]

Sign and trade Gaudreau for the #2 pick and sign and trade Tkachuk to Arizona for the #3 pick. Would be one way to speed up a rebuild

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by Nadal Fan

Sign and trade Gaudreau for the #2 pick and sign and trade Tkachuk to Arizona for the #3 pick. Would be one way to speed up a rebuild

Bold moves Sir, bold moves...how interesting that would be...

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Nadal Fan

Sign and trade Gaudreau for the #2 pick and sign and trade Tkachuk to Arizona for the #3 pick. Would be one way to speed up a rebuild

Why would NJ trade the #2 overall pick instead of just signing JG?

And why would JG sign with Calgary just to be traded and see the team he is getting traded to give up an asset instead of just signing with that team.

The only possible reason for a sign and trade is getting the 8th year for a team the player want to goes too/knows they will be signing with.

That's not going to get you the #2 pick

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Tkachuk for Chabot?

No way Ottawa would do that. Tkachuk is a luxury to them.

2nd + Holtz is the best fan offer I have seen on HF lol

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Nadal Fan

Sign and trade Gaudreau for the #2 pick

The Devils pay a second overall pick for the pleasure of getting Gaudreau for an extra year lol? Or the Flames sign Gaudreau with no trade protection and then jettison him?