[PGT] Flames lose game 3 by a score of 4-1

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Inferno

He is but you and other critics ignore them. You're expecting him to be near perfect if not perfect and make insanely difficult saves that any goalie would be lucky to make.

The fact that someone would get on a goalie's case for not stopping multiple 2 on 1s or breakaways is ridiculous.

But he isn't. He has the worst goals saved above expected of goalies who've played 8 games. Mike Smith is number 1.

He makes less good saves than his competition. That's just a fact.

[Strange Brew]

This series is far from over but Flames are obviously in some trouble here. Oilers playing with exceptional confidence and believe they can score at will right now.

And while the Flames miss Tanev, they need to get back to dominating possession and winning the chances game. They don't need Tanev to be able to do that. This Oilers team can be hemmed in, of that there is no doubt.

The Flames top line should be dominating possession and chances when they are on the ice.

[Chingas]

Originally Posted by Flamenfame

Gaudreau disappears when the game gets physical as always, let's extend him at 10+ per year.

That was physical? Lol he played great in a way more physical round one.

[jg13]

it hurts to do this but i'm 5-1 watching games by myself at home and 0-4 watching anywhere else these playoffs. guess i'm staying in till the end of june.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Yes, this is part of my point.
Markstrom made fewer difficult saves, plus his save percentage is lower.
He has been outplayed by opposing goalies. Albeit part of it is bad luck that those are the two goalies the Flames have had to face.

You just don't get it and are blinded by your Markstrom hate.

Just because he didn't have to make nearly as many difficult saves as Oettinger doesn't mean he was outplayed. He played well but didn't have to play as well as Oettinger did because Oettinger faced way more shots.

With Smith both goalies didn't play well in game 1. Markstrom was in longer so it looks worse for him. The last two games Smith hasn't faced the same chances that Markstrom has. Change goalies and the same outcome happens.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

This series is far from over but Flames are obviously in some trouble here. Oilers playing with exceptional confidence and believe they can score at will right now.

And while the Flames miss Tanev, they need to get back to dominating possession and winning the chances game. They don't need Tanev to be able to do that. This Oilers team can be hemmed in, of that there is no doubt.

The Flames top line should be dominating possession and chances when they are on the ice.

Yes! If they held Dallas in their zone for 3-4 minutes, surely they can pressure the Oil

[soulchoice]

As much are Marky isn’t the reason why they lost tonight, he has struggled and is the second best goalie this series, or maybe third behind Koskinens game that night. Heck, the Flames won despite his abysmal play in game 1, not because of him.

Yes, Smith is someone I loathe, but he has been playing quite well so far.

There have just been too many passengers for the Flames this series. Very little physicality the last couple of games.

[Stud_McCool]

Everyone sucked tonight. Need to stop this run-and-gun and just do your thing. Worst hockey IQ game I've seen from the Flames in a long time.

[IamNotKenKing]

We played slow and scared. Not a recipe for success.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

But he isn't. He has the worst goals saved above expected of goalies who've played 8 games. Mike Smith is number 1.

He makes less good saves than his competition. That's just a fact.

You're focusing on some stat and ignoring actual saves because it doesn't fit your narrative and desire to #### on him when you have an opportunity to do so after a loss. He made some big saves to keep the Flames in game 2. One off Pissy and the other off of Kane that I can think of off the top of my head. He kept them in the first period tonight.

If Smith had to face the same chances he has the last two games he would have been lit up too.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Inferno

You just don't get it and are blinded by your Markstrom hate.

Just because he didn't have to make nearly as many difficult saves as Oettinger doesn't mean he was outplayed. He played well but didn't have to play as well as Oettinger did because Oettinger faced way more shots.

With Smith both goalies didn't play well in game 1. Markstrom was in longer so it looks worse for him. The last two games Smith hasn't faced the same chances that Markstrom has. Change goalies and the same outcome happens.

Markstrom and Smith were both brutal in game 1.

Smith has outplayed Markstrom since then. Markstrom's numbers against the Oilers are beyond putrid and his numbers which take shot quality into account put him in last place among starting goalies left.

We sure are good at looking past McDavid's scoring to complain about his game, but when it comes to the obvious truth that Markstrom chokes against the Oilers nobody will hear it.

[CGY12]

How the F can anyone blame Markstrom after that? I mean I'm as fired up as anyone but shots after 1 were 20 - 7 and it was 0 0. Then in the 2nd the Oilers score on a 3 on 2 (post and in) and 3 2 on 1s (Kane empty net on one and alone on the goalie on the other 2). WTF do you want him to do?? This is the worst exhibition of defending transition and not taking anything away from them I ever seen.

In 3 games they've managed to take absolutely nothing away from the Oilers, and if something doesn't change we are done in 5.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Smith has outplayed Markstrom since then.

Again, Smith hasn't had to face the same chances that Markstrom has. The Oilers aren't giving Gaudreau a clear lane to come deke out Smith, they aren't giving up breakaways where their players don't bobble the puck and lose it like Backlund, and they aren't giving up multiple 2 on 1s.

It's about quality. Switch goalies and it's Smith your bitching about and talking about how Markstrom is outplaying him.

[N-E-B]

I was pretty miffed but I saw a video of that little Ben Stelter kid in Edmonton and it really put things into perspective.

It’s just a hockey game. If my biggest worry is that the Flames lost a hockey game I’m doing pretty good.

Stay positive and cheer in Game 4! Win or lose, it’s just hockey. It’s supposed to be fun, so enjoy it. Lord knows Round 2 doesn’t come too often for us.

[Monahammer]

The series is winnable, and team defence is at fault for us being down 2-1.

But to win the series, we will need a goalie who can go .900 the rest of the way. It's just math. No bs about better chances.
Markstrom cannot seem to post over .900 against this team. Tbh we probably need .910

Play Vladar. Play wolf. I am not totally sure but the sample size is large enough for me to believe markstrom isn't the answer this series.

[Jbo]

Oilers have done a fantastic job dragging Calgary to play it’s game.

[FanIn80]

Turned the game off as soon as Edm got their first poweplay off of whatever it was Lewis did. I could already feel it was gonna be a blowout. Got a little excited when I checked the score and saw it was still 0-0 after the 1st, until I saw the shots. What I saw of Markstrom before I turned it off was enough to know he wasn't going to keep them in it for long at that shot volume.

Saw it was 4-0 in the 2nd, had a brief feeling of hope they'd somehow pull it off in the 3rd, and then went back to my show.

Looked at the penalties after the game was over, saw Looch got kicked out for charging Smith, went to youtube to find a clip, and of course it was a complete dive. That's just the world we all live in, though. The scumbags always win.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by CGY12

How the F can anyone blame Markstrom after that? I mean I'm as fired up as anyone but shots after 1 were 20 - 7 and it was 0 0. Then in the 2nd the Oilers score on a 3 on 2 (post and in) and 3 2 on 1s (Kane empty net on one and alone on the goalie on the other 2). WTF do you want him to do?? This is the worst exhibition of defending transition and not taking anything away from them I ever seen.

In 3 games they've managed to take absolutely nothing away from the Oilers, and if something doesn't change we are done in 5.

Don’t forget the game before that in which one goal was McDavid left all alone in front and 2 were breakaways. He’s being hung out to dry. The Markstrom criticism was valid in Game 1. It’s not for the last two. Just supremely piss poor defense from the team in front of him. Shockingly bad from this group.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The series is winnable, and team defence is at fault for us being down 2-1.

But to win the series, we will need a goalie who can go .900 the rest of the way. It's just math. No bs about better chances.
Markstrom cannot seem to post over .900 against this team. Tbh we probably need .910

Play Vladar. Play wolf. I am not totally sure but the sample size is large enough for me to believe markstrom isn't the answer this series.

I'm glad some people see and acknowledge this.

"But he's a vezina finalist," and "but he got you here"

don't negate the truth of the matter of the present situation. Take all of that out of the frame and just look at this series in a vacuum. No context. Is he stopping enough pucks for you to win this thing?

He isn't. And its brutal because the defense has let him down, but theres no time to soothe egos here. All there is left for them is this series. Have to win it. So... if Markstrom has to take a backseat for a game or two to see if you can get that .910 from the other guy, then so be it.

Also no to Wolf lol, but Vladar, yes.

[Loosh]

Dube has been really disappointing this series. He’s getting favourable matchups and his speed should be able to creat more with the oil D. Hopefully this game is a wake up call for the series. Can’t contain Mcdavid but they need to do a better job. Still early. We got this!