[PGT] Flames lose game 3 by a score of 4-1

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Who are these young players?

Is it mainly directed towards Hanifin and Andersson? Kylington? Because heck yeah they’re struggling.

…but then who’s damn idea was it to build the top end of the defence in such a manner and load up money on the 3rd pairing? Paper thin defensive depth, especially against a team that can actually skate.

Well, Kylington was sheltered by his D partner Tanev all year. Tanev is pretty good at playing defense

With him out, the matchups spread to lesser players and it hurts

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I believe it's the same thing when it comes to Goals Saved Above Expected.
Oettinger and Smith are 1st and 2nd, Markstrom is 9th, which is the lowest out of the goalies remaining.

The Flames played better defense than both Dallas and the Oilers in the first round. The more shots you get the more chances you have to make a hard save. Markstrom didn't have to make nearly as many difficult saves as Oettinger had to.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by rooster

Look at his ####ing numbers. He is biting on every move they make in front of him and then they put it in the other side.

Seriously, "every" move? As a goalie, when facing 2 on 1, I was told that he always play the shooter and defenseman play the pass. When he is facing McDavid coming down, he has to play McDavid, square to him. Then the D allow McDavid to pass it to the other guy. To say a vezina goalie should stop that is silly. Any goalie, vezina or not who stop that is pure luck. I agree, the first game he was bad, too deep in his net and slow glove, Hyman scored 2 on exact puck placement. But today? It's not his fault.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Inferno

The Flames played better defense than both Dallas and the Oilers in the first round. The more shots you get the more chances you have to make a hard save. Markstrom didn't have to make nearly as many difficult saves as Oettinger had to.

That's fair, but this series he is getting the chance to make big saves and just isn't doing it. Beyond that in the first game he let in some truly putrid goals that gave the Oilers tons of momentum and the belief they could score on him at will.

If we are going to say Tanev sheltered Kylington all year then we damn well need to say the Flames team defense sheltered Markstrom.

[djsFlames]

They did shelter Markstrom well in round one.

Which means they can do the same thing here (still need the saves though).

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I’ve made this argument many times. (Ex. when Vladar faced Tampa and Carolina after the Covid hiatus, and both he and Marky allowed 10 goals total in 2 consecutive starts)

Funny enough, now that people are questioning Markstrom, all of a sudden people seem to get it

Having played goal I always got it. I don't even really pay attention to what the save percentage for either goalie is. It's about how stoppable the shot is.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I have no faith at this point. They can solve McDavid and the officials.

Especially this!

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

It would certainly be nice if he'd stopped one of those three outstanding point blank chances on the tape of a very capable goal scorer. It is possible that he could have guessed right and been in position to stop one of them. But actually suggesting he SHOULD have is ridiculous.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Seriously, "every" move? As a goalie, when facing 2 on 1, I was told that he always play the shooter and defenseman play the pass. When he is facing McDavid coming down, he has to play McDavid, square to him. Then the D allow McDavid to pass it to the other guy. To say a vezina goalie should stop that is silly. Any goalie, vezina or not who stop that is pure luck. I agree, the first game he was bad, too deep in his net and slow glove, Hyman scored 2 on exact puck placement. But today? It's not his fault.

On the Hyman goal Markstrom slid out of his net and let a right handed shot from a bad angle score. Hyman should have had zero net to shoot at from there. If he makes that save it might be a totally different game.

[Steve Macfarlane]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Who are these young players?

Is it mainly directed towards Hanifin and Andersson? Kylington? Because heck yeah they’re struggling.

…but then who’s damn idea was it to build the top end of the defence in such a manner and load up money on the 3rd pairing? Paper thin defensive depth, especially against a team that can actually skate.

I think those are the guys he was talking about more than any of the others. But a bit of deflection there too as the top line was incredibly outmatched tonight.

[442scotty]

Hate to say it but I think it’s over. Flames had a great season. It would take a miracle especially with Tanev out. They had the Oilers down 3-1 in game 2 and should have finished them then. It is what it is. Would love to be wrong though.

[direwolf]

Seems like whatever confidence this team had all season long and during round 1 against Dallas has been completely shattered over these last two games. It's actually starting to feel eerily similar to the Colorado series in 2019, except this time it's McDavid instead of MacKinnon. Flames just don't have an answer for these elite superstar game-breakers.

All that being said, the Flames can still make a series out of this if they can get back to playing the way we know they can. Just need to win game 4 to regain some confidence and then go from there.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

It would certainly be nice if he'd stopped one of those three outstanding point blank chances on the tape of a very capable goal scorer. It is possible that he could have guessed right and been in position to stop one of them. But actually suggesting he SHOULD have is ridiculous.

No it's not. The only three shots that go in 100% of the time are on an empty net. He absolutely should have stopped one of those. He also should have held his angle and made the easy save on the Hyman goal. He makes one good save and one outstanding save and this is a totally different game.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

That's fair, but this series he is getting the chance to make big saves and just isn't doing it. Beyond that in the first game he let in some truly putrid goals that gave the Oilers tons of momentum and the belief they could score on him at will.

If we are going to say Tanev sheltered Kylington all year then we damn well need to say the Flames team defense sheltered Markstrom.

I said that

Both are true. Markstrom does not get a Vezina top 3 placement behind a team with a lesser defensive game all year

He is being negatively affected by Tanev’s absence right now

Maybe needs to paint someone else’s teeth on his mask?

[midniteowl]

Hmmm...series is 2-1 and it's over? Don't hate to say it, but just don't say it?

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

That's fair, but this series he is getting the chance to make big saves and just isn't doing it.

He is but you and other critics ignore them. You're expecting him to be near perfect if not perfect and make insanely difficult saves that any goalie would be lucky to make.

The fact that someone would get on a goalie's case for not stopping multiple 2 on 1s or breakaways is ridiculous.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

On the Hyman goal Markstrom slid out of his net and let a right handed shot from a bad angle score. Hyman should have had zero net to shoot at from there. If he makes that save it might be a totally different game.

He did but also that shot was perfectly placed, post and in

It’s why sv% are way lower on shots that cross the royal road and make goalies move laterally. Perfect shot placement helps

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Inferno

The Flames played better defense than both Dallas and the Oilers in the first round. The more shots you get the more chances you have to make a hard save. Markstrom didn't have to make nearly as many difficult saves as Oettinger had to.

Yes, this is part of my point.
Markstrom made fewer difficult saves, plus his save percentage is lower.
He has been outplayed by opposing goalies. Albeit part of it is bad luck that those are the two goalies the Flames have had to face.

[Jason14h]

If there is any team I have faith to choke as bad as Flames it’s Edmonton

Flames win 5-0 next game , then 4-1 , then loose 8-1. Game 7 goes to triple
OT and becomes a coin flip

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by TheSquatch

"Listless Flames Fail to Rise to Occasion"

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