The CEO of Raytheon got asked on their conference call if higher demand for stingers would boost their earnings. But apparently the US hasn't ordered any for 18 years (!) and many of the components are so obsolete that they can't even get them any more, so ramping up production will take some time as they have to source new suppliers.
Yeah, they were planning on phasing them out and the US has already sent Ukraine about 25% of their Stinger missiles, so that supply is basically gone in the near term. Javelins are similar, as the US has already sent the equivalent of about 5-7 years of acquisitions to Ukraine and it'll likely take a year or so to really ramp up production to even begin to replace those. The characterization of the US being some limitless supply of high-tech weaponry that can be transferred to Ukraine really isn't accurate, at least based on current production levels. At the same time, Russia is also depleting its weapon stocks, so they'll experience similar difficulties.
How hard is it to operate a modern tank? Presumably Russia is also losing their tank crews as well. Are these things simple enough that most random soldier can operate them? Or is there a limited supply of trained operators, that Russia will quickly run out of?
Do you remember the satanic gay and lesbian club Biden and the US congress was running in Mariupol? According to Russian news.
Now the Ukrainian army is caught using black magic, according to Russian news. I copied the whole text so you don't have to click the link. Don't click the link, there's unfortunately nothing else that's funny there, I just included it for completionism.
This post didn't get enough recognition for introducing "Satanic German Israeli Nazi Witches" into the mix, and also loosely suggesting that anyone who sends Ukraine a weapon is Satan. Very Onion-esque.
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Yeah, they were planning on phasing them out and the US has already sent Ukraine about 25% of their Stinger missiles, so that supply is basically gone in the near term. Javelins are similar, as the US has already sent the equivalent of about 5-7 years of acquisitions to Ukraine and it'll likely take a year or so to really ramp up production to even begin to replace those. The characterization of the US being some limitless supply of high-tech weaponry that can be transferred to Ukraine really isn't accurate, at least based on current production levels. At the same time, Russia is also depleting its weapon stocks, so they'll experience similar difficulties.
I was more commenting that the weapons they are sending that are decimating the Russians are 20 year old stuff the US doesn't even make anymore.
But you're right they aren't an unlimited source of weapons - although I suspect they'll be able to re-stock faster than the Russians.
I was more commenting that the weapons they are sending that are decimating the Russians are 20 year old stuff the US doesn't even make anymore.
They're older, but they haven't been replaced by anything so they're still currently the most advanced MANPAD that the US has. The reason they haven't been ordering more is because they're planning on replacing them in the next decade and the US has had little use for them so their stocks haven't been depleted.
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How hard is it to operate a modern tank? Presumably Russia is also losing their tank crews as well. Are these things simple enough that most random soldier can operate them? Or is there a limited supply of trained operators, that Russia will quickly run out of?
IIRC training to be an armoured soldier is around 11 weeks. This does not include your basic training. So a soldier that has completed their basic (being de-civilianized) can expect 11 more weeks of training specific to being a Zipperhead.
It isn’t unrealistic to think that Russia will have similarities timelines, hell even cut in half 5 weeks is a long time. Couple that with all the OJT that is needed, it is a long time before a soldier is considered trained and functional.
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How hard is it to operate a modern tank? Presumably Russia is also losing their tank crews as well. Are these things simple enough that most random soldier can operate them? Or is there a limited supply of trained operators, that Russia will quickly run out of?
The operation of a MBT, isn't that hard. Its the nuances of it that are tough. Any dummy can drive a tank. Its not that hard. Its more about how the crew fights the tank, and understands tank tactics.
I mean the T90M can best be described as an advanced version of the T72 with better speed, armor and fire control, but still has a lot of the issues of the T-72. A bulky stupid autoloader. Weird ammunition storage concepts. The failure of its protective systems were paramount in Syria.
The T-90 was built as a budget tank to bridge between a 3rd generation tank like the T-72 and the Next Gen T-14, but it doesn't do anything well. It has gun trouble which reduces the range. It feels like the Shtora active countermeasures system just plain doesn't work properly.
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The operation of a MBT, isn't that hard. Its the nuances of it that are tough. Any dummy can drive a tank. Its not that hard. Its more about how the crew fights the tank, and understands tank tactics.
I mean the T90M can best be described as an advanced version of the T72 with better speed, armor and fire control, but still has a lot of the issues of the T-72. A bulky stupid autoloader. Weird ammunition storage concepts. The failure of its protective systems were paramount in Syria.
The T-90 was built as a budget tank to bridge between a 3rd generation tank like the T-72 and the Next Gen T-14, but it doesn't do anything well. It has gun trouble which reduces the range. It feels like the Shtora active countermeasures system just plain doesn't work properly.
Tactics?
Man I was literally thinking about the daily crew maintenance run on these things.
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I'm sure most of us could figure out how to drive one of those things somewhat quickly.
But to be able to use it to maximum effect in the middle of a fire fight?
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I suspect the Russians are already facing the same issues the Luftwaffe and Japanese were by 1944, the crappy untrained crews mean you lose more tanks becuase they make 'rookie' mistakes, it sets up a death spiral
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IIRC training to be an armoured soldier is around 11 weeks. This does not include your basic training. So a soldier that has completed their basic (being de-civilianized) can expect 11 more weeks of training specific to being a Zipperhead.
It isn’t unrealistic to think that Russia will have similarities timelines, hell even cut in half 5 weeks is a long time. Couple that with all the OJT that is needed, it is a long time before a soldier is considered trained and functional.
For what's it's worth, my training to be a zipperhead was 26 weeks. 10 weeks recruit school at Cornwallis, 10 weeks TQ3 at the Armour School and 6 weeks primary combat function training on tanks.
The recruit training was for everyone, cooks, clerks, combat soldiers etc. The TQ3 training was combat arms specific, i.e. machine guns, Carl Gustav, driver training etc. by the Armour School. The 6 weeks PCF training was focused on the Leopard Tank. As a driver, it was O&M heavy and lots of tactical driving, as a single tank, then troop, then squadron etc. etc. After that it was one year at the regiment before you were considered a "trained" trooper.
They could probably could take an already "basic" trained soldier and slap them into an MBT with a couple of weeks training and they could operate the tank. The intangible part is the O&M of the tank, operating as a crew, understanding indivudual tank tactics, platoon tactics, company tactics, communications, etc. etc. etc. Tank gunnery is something else altogether, this is a science/art form that can take years to master.
I agree with UCB. This is where the Russians seem to be lacking. They are trained crews, but are out of their depth when trying to operate as a coordinated and effective team. Not to mention as part of a combined arms battlegroup when lots of people are trying their very best to kill you.
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You could copy this over into the US politics thread these days.
Careful, some people are going to get really upset about the whataboutism!!
Does Putin have an out? Why is this conflict still happening?! I haven't followed as closely of late, but are there any indications at all that Russia is moving towards an end to this and an exit?
I suspect the Russians are already facing the same issues the Luftwaffe and Japanese were by 1944, the crappy untrained crews mean you lose more tanks becuase they make 'rookie' mistakes, it sets up a death spiral
Ie the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot.
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Careful, some people are going to get really upset about the whataboutism!!
Does Putin have an out? Why is this conflict still happening?! I haven't followed as closely of late, but are there any indications at all that Russia is moving towards an end to this and an exit?
The problem for Putin is losing the war is a literal death sentence for him personally and probably his family, they will be strung up on lamp posts within a few weeks of defeat, so he has nothing to lose and there really isnt anything we can offer that alters that for him, to go back to the pre war borders after the pain Russia has and will go through will be seen as a massive crushing defeat for Putin
I really dont see an out at this point, the idiot has doubled down to hard to give himself an exit
The CEO of Raytheon got asked on their conference call if higher demand for stingers would boost their earnings. But apparently the US hasn't ordered any for 18 years (!) and many of the components are so obsolete that they can't even get them any more, so ramping up production will take some time as they have to source new suppliers.
Not exactly sure why you quoted my post about drones? is it because stingers, javelins..etc are becoming obsolete because of drone technology?
I didn't know it's been 18 years but military magazine wrote an article saying just that about 5-6 years ago. Modern warfare is becoming soldier-less rapidly.
I suspect the Russians are already facing the same issues the Luftwaffe and Japanese were by 1944, the crappy untrained crews mean you lose more tanks becuase they make 'rookie' mistakes, it sets up a death spiral
Not to mentions morale issues for a war lots of regular grunts don't want. There's a load of intercepted calls where soldiers talk about sabotaging their own tanks and just calling it "destroyed".
Not exactly sure why you quoted my post about drones? is it because stingers, javelins..etc are becoming obsolete because of drone technology?
I didn't know it's been 18 years but military magazine wrote an article saying just that about 5-6 years ago. Modern warfare is becoming soldier-less rapidly.
I was just trying to expand on your point about how they only have the obsolete drones in Ukraine right now and they're still unbelievable. Similarly, the missiles that are dominating are ~2 decades old.
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