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Old 05-02-2022, 04:32 PM   #5981
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The use of drones is fascinating, no doubt.

I would be extremely hesitant in doubting the U.S. armed forces. The logistical masterpiece being displayed right now is incredible. The U.S. is truly the only global superpower with the ability to project power almost immediately in any theatre.

And that's just with the somewhat mundane transport capacities and regular weaponry being provided. We haven't even seen any of their new technology at play.

The fastest way to set your armed forces back a couple decades right now is engaging the U.S. (and allies) in any form of conventional war.
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Old 05-02-2022, 04:48 PM   #5982
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off topic, but there's an interesting short film on YT called "Slaughterbots" which is about that very thing.
It’s terrifying:


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The use of drones is fascinating, no doubt.

I would be extremely hesitant in doubting the U.S. armed forces. The logistical masterpiece being displayed right now is incredible. The U.S. is truly the only global superpower with the ability to project power almost immediately in any theatre.

And that's just with the somewhat mundane transport capacities and regular weaponry being provided. We haven't even seen any of their new technology at play.

The fastest way to set your armed forces back a couple decades right now is engaging the U.S. (and allies) in any form of conventional war.

One of the common mistakes that's made is that we under estimate how capable American weapons are. A lot of people depend on things like youtube commentary, or wiki posts or any number of other websites that talk about US capabilities.


At the same time, the American's even in war games with allies, handicap themselves. Turn on augmentors on submarines to generate noise. We still don't know the full capabilities of the F-22 for example.



There's a lot of unknowns. In terms of American cyber and even recon capabilities we have little understanding of the data side of the US military.
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Old 05-02-2022, 06:34 PM   #5984
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Totally agree.

We’ve never seen a situation where the Americans have been forced to unleash everything they have in their conventional or cyber arsenal.

If they can mop the floor with Russia via Ukraine as a proxy, what would happen if they actually started trying with all of their tech brought to bear?
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Totally agree.

We’ve never seen a situation where the Americans have been forced to unleash everything they have in their conventional or cyber arsenal.

If they can mop the floor with Russia via Ukraine as a proxy, what would happen if they actually started trying with all of their tech brought to bear?
I wish the Russian nuclear arsenal could somehow be neutralized so we could see the full power of the US military in action to remove Putin from power
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Just another "Russia's on fire yo" post

https://twitter.com/user/status/1521299473158258688

Just another spontaneous combustion operation. This is the publishing house that made the news last week for being put in charge of removing Ukraine from all textbooks
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Old 05-03-2022, 07:40 AM   #5988
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MOD and map updates for the day. Shelling in the Izyum area over the last couple of days with no ground advances by Russia on any front. These are likely caused by the command post the Ukrainians destroyed which killed some 200 Russian troops and a general a few days ago.

Ukrainians are slowly pushing back around the Kharkiv area and have made some minor gains there. They are likely waiting for the remainder of the NATO provided artillery pieces and the crew to get trained as well as helicopters to be delivered/crews trained before any further offensive. So far 70 of the 90 M777s have been delivered and half the ammo with 220 crew trained.

MOD points out that Russia's modernization of their armed forces really didn't help any of the troops on the ground or training thereof and hasn't helped them in Ukraine, especially with the near wipeout of the VDV airborne units around Kyiv.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1521365925626359808
https://twitter.com/user/status/1521256202318999552
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An adviser to General Valery Zaluzhnyi, Ukraine’s top commander, recently explained how his forces halted the Russian advance on Kyiv. “Anti-tank missiles slowed the Russians down,” he said, “but what killed them was our artillery. That was what broke their units.” In the current fighting in southern and eastern Ukraine, where the two sides are more entrenched, artillery is even more pivotal. And the more sophisticated versions Western countries have started to give Ukraine could make all the difference.
https://www.economist.com/europe/202...ole-in-ukraine

Also Russian foreign minister Lavrov is a clown, he is trying to garner support among the Israelis against Ukraine but he does so telling them that "Hitler was a Jew" and the Israeli government is pro-fascist because they "support the neo-Nazi regime of Zelensky in Ukraine". Yea Lavrov, that'll totally bring the Jews in line.

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Russia's foreign ministry accused Israel on Tuesday of supporting neo-Nazis in Ukraine, further escalating a row which began when Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov claimed Adolf Hitler had Jewish origins.

Israel lambasted Lavrov on Monday, saying his claim – made when talking about Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy who is Jewish – was an "unforgivable" falsehood that debased the horrors of the Nazi Holocaust.

Leaders from several Western nations denounced Lavrov's comments and Zelenskyy accused Russia of having forgotten the lessons of World War Two.

The Russian ministry said in a statement that Israeli Foreign Minister Yair Lapid's comments were "anti-historical" and "explaining to a large extent why the current Israeli government supports the neo-Nazi regime in Kyiv".

Moscow reiterated Lavrov's point that Zelenskyy's Jewish origins did not preclude Ukraine from being run by neo-Nazis.

"Antisemitism in everyday life and in politics is not stopped and is on the contrary nurtured (in Ukraine)," it said in a statement.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...ine-1.10777197

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Just another "Russia's on fire yo" post

Just another spontaneous combustion operation. This is the publishing house that made the news last week for being put in charge of removing Ukraine from all textbooks
With all these design bureaus, arms warehouses, and plants going up in smoke all near Moscow far from Ukraine itself, this has to be sabotage by Russian dissidents at this point doesn't it? Like here's another one

https://twitter.com/user/status/1521351358980497416
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With all these design bureaus, arms warehouses, and plants going up in smoke all near Moscow far from Ukraine itself, this has to be sabotage by Russian dissidents at this point doesn't it? Like here's another one

https://twitter.com/user/status/1521351358980497416
Not necessarily. Or I guess it depends a little on how you define it. There's about 2 million Ukrainians living in Russia, would they count as dissidents?

Russia would also be kind of a perfect target for Ukrainian special forces operations. Tons of targets to choose from spread over a massive area with probably a lot of bad security, and Russian internal security is mostly about suppressing political dissidence, not for example counter-terrorism. Additionally, Russian speaking Ukrainians can rather trivially pass as Russians.

That said, dissidents are a definite possibility.

On a different topic, Perun puts out another great video, this time on the topic of Russia's nuclear threat. There's a TLDR in the beginning if you don't want to watch the whole thing.

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Also Russian foreign minister Lavrov is a clown, he is trying to garner support among the Israelis against Ukraine but he does so telling them that "Hitler was a Jew" and the Israeli government is pro-fascist because they "support the neo-Nazi regime of Zelensky in Ukraine". Yea Lavrov, that'll totally bring the Jews in line.



https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...ine-1.10777197

It really illustrates how the Russians have no idea how a population reacts under a democratic government. The Israelis don't have some regime, where the population has a different view than the government and then turns against them. If the Israelis are unhappy with their government, they vote someone new into power.

Only in places like Russia, where you have an authoritarian regime and provide no alternatives is that kind of strategy workable. The Russians have themselves quite convinced they are some kind of bastion of human rights. From their perspective the religious minorities, LGTBQ, and free thinking westerners are all the out to get the conservative Russian family and are themselves the ones trampling all over human rights.
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It would be great if Europe could just leave the Jews out of one war.
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It would be great if Europe could just leave the Jews out of one war.
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The Russians have themselves quite convinced they are some kind of bastion of human rights. From their perspective the religious minorities, LGTBQ, and free thinking westerners are all the out to get the conservative Russian family and are themselves the ones trampling all over human rights.

You could copy this over into the US politics thread these days.
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You could copy this over into the US politics thread these days.
Fair enough. It's a baffling mentality filled with persecution complexes. Russians still see themselves as holding up "leftist" values (hence their supposed drive to remove fascists from the rest of Europe). Even though, as you say, the current Russian mentality is very similar to that on the far right in the USA.
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Apparently Ukraine has destroyed a Russian command post in Kherson.

Yes...another one.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1521542041376899077

This attack rumored to very successful, considering the retaliatory strikes against multiple cities in Ukraine within an hour of the attack. We will know soon enough how big of an impact this one had.
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It really illustrates how the Russians have no idea how a population reacts under a democratic government. The Israelis don't have some regime, where the population has a different view than the government and then turns against them. If the Israelis are unhappy with their government, they vote someone new into power.

Only in places like Russia, where you have an authoritarian regime and provide no alternatives is that kind of strategy workable. The Russians have themselves quite convinced they are some kind of bastion of human rights. From their perspective the religious minorities, LGTBQ, and free thinking westerners are all the out to get the conservative Russian family and are themselves the ones trampling all over human rights.
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Do you remember the satanic gay and lesbian club Biden and the US congress was running in Mariupol? According to Russian news.

Now the Ukrainian army is caught using black magic, according to Russian news. I copied the whole text so you don't have to click the link. Don't click the link, there's unfortunately nothing else that's funny there, I just included it for completionism.

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Signs of practicing black magic were found at the headquarters of Ukrainian mortarmen on the outskirts of the village of Trekhizbenka: adherents of otherworldly forces tried to “consecrate” the weapon and made marks with blood, RIA Novosti correspondent reports.

Military unit A4472 was based at this headquarters. A satanic seal was found on its wall, evoking associations with Hollywood films about evil spirits.

“This is a magical sigil (symbol) consisting of many intersecting lines. What it means is difficult to say for sure, in it you can see both an inverted sign of anarchy, and part of the “SS” sign, the rune zig, it is clearly visible in the extreme left sector of the circle, and the German-written Hebrew letter “zayn”, meaning a sword or weapon,” culturologist Ekaterina Deis told RIA Novosti.

It is a “magical seal of the dark forces” that combines the ideas of anarchy, weapons and fascist symbols, she said.

She drew attention to the fact that the seal is drawn “unicursally”, that is, without lifting the hand, which also betrays its occult nature. Noteworthy is the word Zein under the seal.

“In Biblical Hebrew, Zain means ‘sword’ and the verb ‘lezaen’ means ‘to arm’. Perhaps the spell’s authors performed rituals to strengthen weapons or ‘asked’ for more weapons to be sent to them,” says Dice.

And in the building itself, among the headquarters instructions, they found a press release from the Ukrainian security forces with a story about losses in the Donbass. There are lines of blood on the document, although there are no such traces anywhere else.

Yesterday, 22:27 Aggravation of the situation in the DNR and LNR

The Investigative Committee will study the data on the Ukrainian torture found in the Kherson region.
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These old drones are doing incredible damage and have Russian soldiers looking to the sky terrified, the US's new Mojave drone carries 16 hellcat missiles for air to air or air to surface and the highly classified RQ-180 stealth drone is thought to carry 4000lbs of ordinance and could sneak across borders to take out defense systems.

Make no mistake, this is indeed the future of warfare we're starting to see.
The CEO of Raytheon got asked on their conference call if higher demand for stingers would boost their earnings. But apparently the US hasn't ordered any for 18 years (!) and many of the components are so obsolete that they can't even get them any more, so ramping up production will take some time as they have to source new suppliers.
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MOD and map updates for the day. Ukrainians managed to retake 40KM east of Kharkiv in a counter-offensive yesterday in wider effort to force the Russians to retreat from the area, break the threat to the city, and disrupt supplies to other areas of the Donbass under Russian control.

Russia appears to be continuing to struggle in other areas which appears to be a result of the Ukrainian destruction of the Izyum/Belgorod and Kherson command centres earlier in the week, as a result they've just been lobbing artillery and missiles for the last little bit including using examples where they are using expensive anti-ship missiles against ground targets. This points to continued shortages of PGMs for the Russians.

More rumors that Russian's prepping to send more troops with Ukrainians claiming Russians will declare mobilization and war on Ukraine on May 9th. Hopefully just rumors, but wouldn't put it past Putin to through more demoralized troops into the meat grinder to save face.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1521710786497982467
https://twitter.com/user/status/1521636222493335552
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