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Old 05-01-2022, 02:45 PM   #5961
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Bunch of whack jobs
It was a glorious day when this channel was blocked on about the 2nd day of the war throughout the EU. No crap about freedom of speech. No whining about censorship. No complaining about Russiaphobia. Just people recognizing straight up bull#### that has no place in the civilized world and taking it off the air. Where I live, it was replaced with a Ukrainian channel instead.

Can't remember the female anchor's name (not that I care to), but she might be the dumbest person on TV.

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Psychopaths.

Even as a propoganda news anchor, how can you talk about what would be the end of your existence and every one you love with a smirk on your face? And all for what, Putin's pride?

No one wins in such a scenario. If those countries fail to intercept the nukes it still doesn't matter, Russia would be utterly forked.
Fear of nuclear war serves several purposes for Russia, it's not insanity.

First, since nuclear weapons are Russia's main defense, it's good to remind the west (who they know are watching) of what risks they are taking. They're trying to make the west tread lightly, and it is very clearly working. The reason western airforces haven't put their thumb down in this war is the fear of nuclear war, not the fear of Russian air forces. That's a clear, direct tactical benefit of this talk.

Second is more general and strategic. The long-term plan for Russia to win the war would be to get the west to back down and stop supporting Ukraine. Fear of nuclear war, again, can help in that. I would argue that this isn't really working, but it's still a fairly rational move for Russia to push this idea. After all a few talking heads on TV costs them nothing.

Third, and I think this was already mentioned in this thread, is that the fear of nuclear war could serve as Putin's way out for the war. Make your own people afraid enough, and then declare you're accepting defeat in Ukraine to save your people and the world from the threat nuclear war (that emerged because the west escalated their response to your little special operation beyond all reason).

You're not a loser or the madman who started the whole thing, you're a great man leading a great peace-loving nation who are ready to put the survival of humanity over their own interests.
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MOD and map updates for the day. Russians making an attempt to advance south of Izyum towards Slovyansk and Lyman but progress for them as been minimal gaining. In Mariupol a UN led evacuation resulted in a large number of civilians leaving the city. No other changes in control for the day.

Lack of progress is clearly frustrating Putin and Russian military brass. Reports are yesterday Russian's Chief General of Russia's armed forces Valery Gerasimov visited a forward operating base between Belgorod and Izyum area to try push the advance and taken personal charge of the situation. Ukrainians received intel of the general's visit promptly launched a missile attack on the area and killing a number of Russian soldiers on the base, but it looks like they missed Gerasimov himself (though some reports say he may be injured). This has not been confirmed or denied by Russian sources at this time however the fire at the base is still ongoing.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1519900431895470082
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The chief of the general staff of the Russian military, Gen. Valery Gerasimov, the country’s highest ranking uniformed officer, made a visit to dangerous front-line positions in eastern Ukraine late last week in an effort to “change the course” of Russia’s flagging offensive there, according to a senior Ukrainian official. Two U.S. officials with knowledge of the visit also backed that assessment.

Ukrainian officials learned of the visit, the Ukrainian official said, but not in time to catch General Gerasimov. When Ukrainian forces launched an attack on one position visited by General Gerasimov, at School No. 12 in the Russian-controlled city of Izium on Saturday evening, he had already departed for Russia. Still, some 200 soldiers, including at least one general, were killed, the Ukrainian official said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive military operation.

Two U.S. officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss confidential intelligence assessments, confirmed that General Gerasimov had been in eastern Ukraine for the past couple days, but had no information about the attack on the Russian base. The Russian Defense Ministry did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

“Our working assumption is that he was there because there’s a recognition they haven’t worked out all their problems yet,” said one of the officials.
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It would be nice to capture some generals alive so that they can face war crimes charges. More so for the information that usually comes out at the trials. Then they can hang them.
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Old 05-02-2022, 08:27 AM   #5965
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Ukraine claims to have taken out 2 Russian Raptor patrol boats near Snake Island with Bayraktar drones.

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Ukraine claims to have taken out 2 Russian Raptor patrol boats near Snake Island with Bayraktar drones.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1521026579555569670
The TB2 drone footage is interesting, considering there has been a total blackout of all TB2 drone footage after the first week of the war.

This was likely done to send a clear message to the Russian fleet in the Black Sea that they will be sunk with ease if they want to stick around and find out and still has aspirations to attack Odessa or do some half baked landing southwest of it (where the bridge was destroyed and near the Transnitria border).

This footage was released deliberately.
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Yeah no need for fighter jets or subs or battleships anymore.

17million drones. 1 for every 2 Siberians.
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Imma about ready to get a drone for self defense.
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What's crazy about this drone warfare is that both sides are largely using drone tech that is 20ish years out of date, and its absolutely dominant. What the more advanced nations have with self-thinking and multi-role "drone swarms" is terrifying. It's only a matter of time before some dictator gets ahold of these weapons and turns them against a civilian population.
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What's crazy about this drone warfare is that both sides are largely using drone tech that is 20ish years out of date, and its absolutely dominant. What the more advanced nations have with self-thinking and multi-role "drone swarms" is terrifying. It's only a matter of time before some dictator gets ahold of these weapons and turns them against a civilian population.
off topic, but there's an interesting short film on YT called "Slaughterbots" which is about that very thing.
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Old 05-02-2022, 11:51 AM   #5971
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What's crazy about this drone warfare is that both sides are largely using drone tech that is 20ish years out of date, and its absolutely dominant. What the more advanced nations have with self-thinking and multi-role "drone swarms" is terrifying. It's only a matter of time before some dictator gets ahold of these weapons and turns them against a civilian population.
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The TB2 drone footage is interesting, considering there has been a total blackout of all TB2 drone footage after the first week of the war.

This was likely done to send a clear message to the Russian fleet in the Black Sea that they will be sunk with ease if they want to stick around and find out and still has aspirations to attack Odessa or do some half baked landing southwest of it (where the bridge was destroyed and near the Transnitria border).

This footage was released deliberately.
Probably drives home the loss of the Moskva. I read that it was the only ship in the Russian Black Sea fleet that had long range air defences and was supposed to defend the rest of the Russian fleet from Ukrainian air assaults.
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What's crazy about this drone warfare is that both sides are largely using drone tech that is 20ish years out of date, and its absolutely dominant. What the more advanced nations have with self-thinking and multi-role "drone swarms" is terrifying. It's only a matter of time before some dictator gets ahold of these weapons and turns them against a civilian population.

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What's crazy about this drone warfare is that both sides are largely using drone tech that is 20ish years out of date, and its absolutely dominant. What the more advanced nations have with self-thinking and multi-role "drone swarms" is terrifying. It's only a matter of time before some dictator gets ahold of these weapons and turns them against a civilian population.
actually the good thing about drones are they just about make the things that kill civilians useless, no tanks no arty, they lend themselves to going back to an infantry based trench based static war that mostly leaves civilians alone
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actually the good thing about drones are they just about make the things that kill civilians useless, no tanks no arty, they lend themselves to going back to an infantry based trench based static war that mostly leaves civilians alone
Not really. Drones get a lot of attention because they're the easiest to release footage of, but they can only do so much damage. And even the best ones are pretty vulnerable to getting picked out of the sky by any competent air force/anti-aircraft defense.

Artillery (particularly with guided munitions) is far more effective at inflicting damage than a drone is. And in terms of air strikes, a bomber of a missile can do far more damage than a drone can; you're not going to wipe out an airfield with a drone, for instance.
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Not really. Drones get a lot of attention because they're the easiest to release footage of, but they can only do so much damage. And even the best ones are pretty vulnerable to getting picked out of the sky by any competent air force/anti-aircraft defense.

Artillery (particularly with guided munitions) is far more effective at inflicting damage than a drone is. And in terms of air strikes, a bomber of a missile can do far more damage than a drone can; you're not going to wipe out an airfield with a drone, for instance.
These old drones are doing incredible damage and have Russian soldiers looking to the sky terrified, the US's new Mojave drone carries 16 hellcat missiles for air to air or air to surface and the highly classified RQ-180 stealth drone is thought to carry 4000lbs of ordinance and could sneak across borders to take out defense systems.

Make no mistake, this is indeed the future of warfare we're starting to see.
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Another fantastic Kamil Galeev thread on the ethnic make up of Russia’s army, and their losses. Includes some interesting points on why we shouldn’t cheer the so called Russian liberals waiting in the wings.

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Another fantastic Kamil Galeev thread on the ethnic make up of Russia’s army, and their losses. Includes some interesting points on why we shouldn’t cheer the so called Russian liberals waiting in the wings.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...949036032.html
I have to admit when I opened your link I read the first paragraph as

We can classify Russian Forces into three main categories
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What's crazy about this drone warfare is that both sides are largely using drone tech that is 20ish years out of date, and its absolutely dominant. What the more advanced nations have with self-thinking and multi-role "drone swarms" is terrifying. It's only a matter of time before some dictator gets ahold of these weapons and turns them against a civilian population.
I’m currently reading Pacific Crucible by Ian Toll, and before WW2 every great power was caught up in an enormously costly naval race to build the biggest fleet of battleships. Then the Prince of Wales gets sunk by naval air and everyone realizes battleships are useless and the war in the Pacific will be won by aircraft carriers.

I expect the same horrific realization will hit home when a U.S. carrier is taken out by drones in the opening days of the war for Taiwan.
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