Ukraine is seriously trolling Russia hard on the Belgorod attack.
I understand the news is taking whatever Ukraine is saying for face value and running with it right now that the attack was not done by Ukraine, it's clearly obvious Ukraine did the attack, but are deliberately putting into question the source of the attack.
The Secretary of National Security and Defense Service of Ukraine says they know nothing of an attack on Belgorod and that it's not them, but in the same statement, referred to Belgorod at the Belgorod People's Republic and that such things might start happening in Russia.
What you may notice is how in all the statements by Ukrainian officials, none of them deny it's them, and none attribute it to a false flag operation.
"Stuff happens in the Belgorod People's Republic, who knows what else can happen, they seem to have problems over there"
It's genius really.
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Ukraine is having to ask random people not to show up to fight the Russians as mercenaries. Apparently it’s a thing now for people with no military combat experience to show up to fight.
Russia has spent 8 years preparing for Western sanctions. We'll see how this all unfolds but the currency war thing makes more sense to me than Russia trying to take Ukraine. There are plenty of articles talking about Russian tankers turning off their transponders, countries won't stop buying Russian energy just because the US wants them to.
Europe will have to get their power from somewhere, I just don't see where else it can come from or how they can avoid paying Russia in the currency it wants.
Hopefully I'm wrong and Russia collapses on itself. I feel like we're at the end of the current financial system and China and Russia are going to use this war and sanctions to put the final nail in the coffin.
This is a weird theory. Russia prepared for sanctions - but not to the level they ended up hitting them.
They've closed their stock market, increased their interest rates and basically shut down everything with their currency to stabilize it. Their economy is in the tank and shutting down their big cash cow isn't the way out.
The switch to another currency is fantasy. The US dollar has gained value vs RMB since the invasion which you'd expect the opposite if the confidence in the USD was dropping.
This all depends on this being some Russia/China masterplan when its clearly made Russia look like a paper tiger, with a terrible economy and a huge brain drain issue.
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At the very least its a public statement letting regular Russians know they don't want to fight in Ukraine. I commend them if they succeed or not. They either get tied up in sham courts preventing their deployment, raise awareness of Putin's dirty tactics if they do get deployed, or get sent to the gulag. All of those will help stop the deaths of Ukrainian civilians.
seriously. as someone else asked.
what's your problem with Ukraine?
you're very insistent about their "misleading propaganda efforts" and how they brought this upon themselves by not joining NATO.
(which isn't true)
what exactly is your beef?
I have not once said the Ukraine brought this upon themselves. I never have said this. I will never say this.
As for propaganda? It is a tool every country uses. It is a weapon and all countries use it. If you don’t believe in propaganda, or as some say only Russia is using this you are a fool. Our political parties in Canada use it all the time. Propaganda is used in politics every day and more so in war. I am not making a conspiracy thread here. Every country uses it.
As for my beef with the Ukraine? I am Ukrainian by heritage. I have family there. I want the Ukraine to dispose of these attackers as fast as they can.
Don’t question who I support in this war. I cheer for one team only. Team Ukraine.
What is my problem with the Ukraine? Russia is bombing their cities and killing all kinds of innocent people. 4 million people leaving there homes.
MOD updates for the day. Not change from the fronts today, biggest news for of the day is the totally Ukraine didn't do it strike on Russia's Belgorod Russia gas facility. Also some rumblings about Ukrainian defenders and supply losses in Mariupol being very high w/ Russians firing on Medevecs trying to escape the encirclement. Hopefully the forces there can get relieved soon like in Sumy. https://twitter.com/user/status/1509826795142623232 https://twitter.com/user/status/1509999958988103683
There's a conspiracy theory that the attack on those fuel depots in Belgorod was organized by the people in charge of the fuel depot to cover up that they had sold most of the fuel and pocketed the money.
I have not once said the Ukraine brought this upon themselves. I never have said this. I will never say this.
As for propaganda? It is a tool every country uses. It is a weapon and all countries use it. If you don’t believe in propaganda, or as some say only Russia is using this you are a fool. Our political parties in Canada use it all the time. Propaganda is used in politics every day and more so in war. I am not making a conspiracy thread here. Every country uses it.
As for my beef with the Ukraine? I am Ukrainian by heritage. I have family there. I want the Ukraine to dispose of these attackers as fast as they can.
Don’t question who I support in this war. I cheer for one team only. Team Ukraine.
What is my problem with the Ukraine? Russia is bombing their cities and killing all kinds of innocent people. 4 million people leaving there homes.
That is my problem.
really? not good with multi quoting but you had a rant about the Ukraine and NATO which gave the impression you feel some blame should be on Ukraine.
you can even take the time to let us know what values we have that the Ukraine doesn't support.
this is from you:
"I do not know what to believe in this war.
I am 100 percent on the Ukraine side of things with one exception. They had a choice to join Nato but refused too. Now they beg and plead for weapons.
Hard to support a country that does not support our values.
My wife knows a husband and wife who are both politicians in Russia. They have two daughters, one in Switzerland and one in Australia, because if you are a successful politician in Russia, you’ve stolen enough money to send your family abroad while still convincing the plebes that Russia is the greatest country in the world.
Anyway, it turns out these politicians got permanent residency in… Canada! Of course, they knew the right people to expedite the process and they’ve apparently indicated they have work in Saskatoon. It makes me sick to think they jumped the queue ahead of Ukrainians.
I know when I worked on my wife’s PR, I needed to indicate sources of income. I doubt this couple stated “$20 million generously donated by the people of Russia” so they probably have accounts in various places and under different names. There’s no way they will stay in Saskatoon and will likely move to Toronto as soon as possible.
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My wife knows a husband and wife who are both politicians in Russia. They have two daughters, one in Switzerland and one in Australia, because if you are a successful politician in Russia, you’ve stolen enough money to send your family abroad while still convincing the plebes that Russia is the greatest country in the world.
Anyway, it turns out these politicians got permanent residency in… Canada! Of course, they knew the right people to expedite the process and they’ve apparently indicated they have work in Saskatoon. It makes me sick to think they jumped the queue ahead of Ukrainians.
I know when I worked on my wife’s PR, I needed to indicate sources of income. I doubt this couple stated “$20 million generously donated by the people of Russia” so they probably have accounts in various places and under different names. There’s no way they will stay in Saskatoon and will likely move to Toronto as soon as possible.
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If true this is pretty unfortunate and hopefully it comes to light.
The #### coming out of Bucha today is infuriating. Videos of people driving through streets and dead civilians everywhere. A bunch of them executed. People killed with their hands tied up. Mined bodies, mined roads.
Spoiler for horror. Don't click if you don't want to see bodies.
There's a conspiracy theory that the attack on those fuel depots in Belgorod was organized by the people in charge of the fuel depot to cover up that they had sold most of the fuel and pocketed the money.
Likely BS, but theoretically plausible.
I dont know one way or another, but...its not dissimilar to what happened during the break-up of the USSR.
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Came across an article today on the Ukrainian view of Russians, and from those interviewed, it seems like more and more they are no longer just blame Putin himself for the war, but the Russian people themselves. The argument goes that Putin is a symptom of the Russian anger and you cannot decouple Putin and the Russian people from the Ukrainian invasion given Putin's recent polling. Russians made a deal with the devil having been so traumatized by the disaster of the post-Soviet economic collapse that they accepted a despot and willingly enabled more than two decades of aggression against Chechnya, Georgia, and Ukraine. They do have a point but I wonder if it goes further back than that. Russians have had leaders that were horrible for more than a thousand years after all.
Another interesting tidbit from that article is the Ukrainian identity and relationship with Russia has been completely destroyed since the Russian invasion, not that this is horribly surprising.
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The Third World War, according to Hrytsak, had already begun. Russia, like Germany at the end of the First World War, had suffered a humiliating defeat at the end of the Cold War. He used the term “Weimar” to describe Russia’s post-Cold War government in the 1990s. He noted how Putin, like Hitler, mined nuggets of grievance out of a selective, flawed interpretation of history, then refined those grievances into political power, enough power to sell this narrative we were seeing now, one in which Russia would liberate brother Ukrainians from their Nazi government led by a Jewish president. “We don’t like being called brothers,” Hrytsak said, “by people who murder us.”
When I asked Hrytsak what, if anything, could break this spell, he explained, “The Russian people have made a bargain with Putin, and it’s one they’ve made throughout their history. They have allowed a despot to take away their freedom, but in exchange he has offered them glory.”
