[News] UPD: VGK/ANA Dadonov deal voided by the NHL

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Because Ottawa told Vegas the player did not submit his paperwork, making his NTC invalid. Vegas did their due diligence, Ottawa gave them false information.

Doing their due diligence would be checking to see if that was, in fact, true. Vegas instead assumed Ottawa was competent/telling the truth. That's not due diligence. Vegas decided to just assume that was the case instead of taking 15 minutes to find out for sure

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Doing their due diligence would be checking to see if that was, in fact, true. Vegas instead assumed Ottawa was competent/telling the truth. That's not due diligence. Vegas decided to just assume that was the case instead of taking 15 minutes to find out for sure

To me, it kind of smells like last-minute desperation. I don't think Vegas had any notion of trading Dadonov when they acquired him, and by the time they decided to unload his cap hit, they were down to the wire and had no time for any diligence at all. They flubbed it.

On the other side, the Senators were rather naughty not to disclose the NTC list at the time of the trade, and I suspect other GMs will be very reluctant to trust any information the Sens give them in future. That's going to sting.

[The Hendog]

Originally Posted by transplant99

https://twitter.com/user/status/1506754515072172047

Blame Ottawa so Vegas doesn’t get punished

Vegas should still take some blame

All Vegas had to do was message Dadonovs agent asking to confirm what Ottawa told them about the NTC and this whole situation would have been avoided

[Inferno]

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Again, adding a player who is already on LTIR does not help you with the cap. The extra cap room you gain is cancelled out by the salary of the injured player.

Kesler is not on LTIR - which is why he was important for Vegas. They could put him on LTIR and get the extra space.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by kermitology

There is something in this trade call that stood out to me, and it's a line from the NHL: "any terms of the SPC not disclosed in the conference call become the responsibility of the acquiring club"

And the NHL guy states: there are no trade restrictions in place for either players, cap and LTIR are both fine.

This is 100% on Vegas.

Originally Posted by transplant99

https://twitter.com/user/status/1506754515072172047

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Because Ottawa told Vegas the player did not submit his paperwork, making his NTC invalid. Vegas did their due diligence, Ottawa gave them false information.

Vegas didn’t do their DD or they’d have known about the NTC and list.

This reads like one of those tweets written by the Sens front office but posted by a reporter. Wouldn’t be the first time, won’t be the last.

[Flames1217]

How is this Ottawa's fault.

When your trading for a player you do your due diligence. You are supposed to know everything and NTCs are probably looked at from up to down. Just the fact that Ottawa had traded him to Vegas must mean that Vegas likely asked if he was on his no trade list.

And then they traded him which is a second opportunity to redo the diligence.

Vegas was negligent, this has nothing to do with Ottawa.

[dino7c]

Where is the player agent in all this?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Where is the player agent in all this?

He probably didn’t know about the trade until it was announced.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Kesler is not on LTIR - which is why he was important for Vegas. They could put him on LTIR and get the extra space.

The Ducks didn't put Kesler on LTIR because they didn't need the cap space.

I repeat, for the umpteenth time:

ACQUIRING A PLAYER TO PUT HIM ON LTIR DOES NOT GIVE YOU ANY CAP RELIEF!!!!!!!!!

If the Knights acquired Kesler, his full salary of $6,875,000 would count against their cap. They would, in exchange, get a temporary cap increase of $6,875,000 to pay replacement players. The two amounts cancel out. There is no cap relief from acquiring an injured player.

The ONLY reason the Knights were getting cap relief from the trade was that Dadonov was being shipped out and his $5,000,000 salary was coming off the active roster.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

How is this Ottawa's fault.

Ottawa did not inform Vegas that Dadonov had filed a list pertaining to his NTC, and apparently, they did not forward the document when the trade was completed. That's their fault.

Vegas trusted Ottawa to disclose all pertinent information. That's their fault, but there is an expectation among NHL general managers that they won't screw each other over by hiding official paperwork. That expectation has now been eroded, and Ottawa in particular is going to have a harder time dealing with other teams because it's public information that they can't be trusted.

[klikitiklik]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The Ducks didn't put Kesler on LTIR because they didn't need the cap space.

I repeat, for the umpteenth time:

ACQUIRING A PLAYER TO PUT HIM ON LTIR DOES NOT GIVE YOU ANY CAP RELIEF!!!!!!!!!

If the Knights acquired Kesler, his full salary of $6,875,000 would count against their cap. They would, in exchange, get a temporary cap increase of $6,875,000 to pay replacement players. The two amounts cancel out. There is no cap relief from acquiring an injured player.

The ONLY reason the Knights were getting cap relief from the trade was that Dadonov was being shipped out and his $5,000,000 salary was coming off the active roster.

Thanks Jay. So now what is the Knights' position/situation?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by klikitiklik

Thanks Jay. So now what is the Knights' position/situation?

Their position, as far as I know:

• They have one or more players who are due to come off LTIR before the end of the regular season, and have to make cap room.

• They thought they made that room, or some of it, by trading Dadonov.

• The Dadonov trade is void, and the trade deadline has gone by. They don't get a do-over.

• If they don't reduce their cap number soon, they'll be in open violation of the LTIR rules, not the nudge-nudge-wink-wink situation some teams have got away with in the past.

• Nobody owes them any favours, except maybe whatever file clerk in Ottawa didn't forward Dadonov's NTC list along with the rest of his papers.

To me, it looks like George McPhee and Kelly McCrimmon are due to take up residence at the Rosebud Motel in Schitt's Creek. No paddles required.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

How is this Ottawa's fault.

When your trading for a player you do your due diligence. You are supposed to know everything and NTCs are probably looked at from up to down. Just the fact that Ottawa had traded him to Vegas must mean that Vegas likely asked if he was on his no trade list.

And then they traded him which is a second opportunity to redo the diligence.

Vegas was negligent, this has nothing to do with Ottawa.

If it is as Friedman is reporting, what apparently happened on the trade call when the Sens traded Dadonov to Vegas was when the NTC was brought up, Vegas and the NHL were told by the Sens that the NTC was no longer valid because Dadonov had not filed his list by the deadline specified in the contract.

Since the league office does not register or maintain player's trade lists (the reason the NHLPA doesn't want the NHL to do this is because they are afraid of no trade lists getting leaked and causing controversy about said player not wanting to go to certain markets), they went with what the Sens told them.

The no trade list was not forwarded to Vegas and Vegas assumed from that point Dadonov's no trade clause was no longer valid because of the trade call.

Originally Posted by dino7c

Where is the player agent in all this?

Nothing for the agent to complain about when Sens traded Dadonov, because Vegas was not on Dadonov's no trade list so the trade went forward and agents are not brought in on trade calls.

He would have had no clue that his client's NTC was being considered invalid until they tried to trade him to the Ducks.

[powderjunkie]

What is OTT's motive to be deceitful? How much would disclosing the truth of his NTC have hurt his trade value? They would have no obligation to tell the teams that are on it (until the trade was completed), but I don't see how much they had to gain by hiding it? In fact, disclosing that the California team(s) were on the list might have been seen as a positive for VGK, as they might have thought it less likely to deal with divisional rivals.

Even if OTT was deceitful or incompetent, Dadonov was an obvious target for VGK to move at TDL. Seems silly to not double check on his tradeability.

Originally Posted by dino7c

Where is the player agent in all this?

Probably waiting by his phone. It didn't ring.

[Insufficient Funds]

Pretty bad look all around if you ask me. OTT and VEG look incompetent at best and the PA and the NHL will now have to instill a policy that lists are registered most likely.

So Vegas has what options now? Get bent over by a team to trade for him now, where he wouldn't be able to play and they would have to pay him? Unlikely

Or

Put him on waivers and hope anyone claims him to save their ass?

I hope Anaheim claims him lol.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

What is OTT's motive to be deceitful? How much would disclosing the truth of his NTC have hurt his trade value? They would have no obligation to tell the teams that are on it (until the trade was completed), but I don't see how much they had to gain by hiding it? In fact, disclosing that the California team(s) were on the list might have been seen as a positive for VGK, as they might have thought it less likely to deal with divisional rivals.

Even if OTT was deceitful or incompetent, Dadonov was an obvious target for VGK to move at TDL. Seems silly to not double check on his tradeability.



Probably waiting by his phone. It didn't ring.

Wouldn't you think that trading away a player with no trade protection would get you more or be easier than one with it?

[D as in David]

The NHL could maintain the secrecy of which teams are on lists by just requiring that notification of the filing of the list to their current team be registered with the NHL. The NHL wouldn't need to receive the list or its contents.

[GS Skier]

It gets even better this summer. ALL their top salary guys, every one but one, has a NM-NTC clause. The one guy without it??? Jack Eichel! They may have to trade their shiny new toy to get out of cap jail.

[Locke]

"No Dadonov for you! Come back! 1 Year!"