03-16-2022, 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14
Ooooooh we gonna have fun here. First of all the STANDATA won't stand up in any court if you're trying to override the CEC, it's failed many times before and I'd be glad to prove it.
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Fine. Prove it. This'll be rich. 
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Second of all, you can call me an engineer sugar t!ts.
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Ah ####, even worse than an electrician! Now I know you'll never admit you're wrong. Which firm do you work for? #### I'd laugh if we know each other in real life. EDIT: I'd probably keel over and die of laughter if we work together.
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(e) the replacement of electrical equipment with units of a similar type if the replacement is made for the purpose of maintaining the system and does not modify the ratings or characteristics of the electrical installation.
Is the average homeowner capable of understanding the ratings and types of electrical devices in their home? They are not. The CEC does not care for this. You either follow the CEC or you do not. The lawsuit is on you for breaking it and STANDATAS have not stood up before in front of a judge. I will never engineer something to break the CEC or stamp it because it's my ass on the line. So no, you're wrong.
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You're arguing that the Government of Alberta cannot override a code it voluntarily adopted, basically arguing that variances cannot and don't exist. When, you know, quite obviously they do...
Frankly you're just embarrassing yourself with the preposterous holes you're digging yourself into. Quit being an obtuse buffoon and pony up the $500.
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03-16-2022, 12:35 AM
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#4602
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Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Cowtown
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Originally Posted by timun
Fine. Prove it. This'll be rich.
Ah ####, even worse than an electrician! Now I know you'll never admit you're wrong. Which firm do you work for? #### I'd laugh if we know each other in real life. EDIT: I'd probably keel over and die of laughter if we work together.
You're arguing that the Government of Alberta cannot override a code it voluntarily adopted, basically arguing that variances cannot and don't exist. When, you know, quite obviously they do...
Frankly you're just embarrassing yourself with the preposterous holes you're digging yourself into. Quit being an obtuse buffoon and pony up the $500. |
CEC rules trump over everything. It's in the literature I've already posted, you can prove me wrong there. STANDATA's are adopted practices but not above law. If a case went to the Supreme Court of Canada all STANDATAs are localized and don't represent the adopted standards of Canada.
And to be honest you don't work for my company, I can guarantee that. We actually do important work.
You're the one claiming STANDATA overrides the electrical code, you prove it.
Edit: I did a cursory search and couldn't find any examples of a STANDATA overriding the CEC
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Last edited by PaperBagger'14; 03-16-2022 at 12:39 AM.
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03-16-2022, 12:48 AM
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#4603
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Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14
Ooooooh we gonna have fun here. First of all the STANDATA won't stand up in any court if you're trying to override the CEC, it's failed many times before and I'd be glad to prove it.
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Originally Posted by timun
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Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14
You're the one claiming STANDATA overrides the electrical code, you prove it.
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So much for being "glad to prove it"... 
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03-16-2022, 12:50 AM
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#4604
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Join Date: Apr 2013
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Originally Posted by timun
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So much for being "glad to prove it"... |
Any STANDATA has never overruled the CEC.
Its in the code and #### your STANDATA, the code is bound by law, the STANDATA is not. Pay up bitch boy
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03-16-2022, 12:58 AM
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Resident Videologist
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03-16-2022, 05:06 AM
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
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Love a good code nerd off!
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03-16-2022, 06:35 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2015
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So, if replacing a lightbulb is technically not allowed, I presume that would extend to modifying a computer. Like, if you replace a video card with one that draws more power. Presumably adding an internal hard drive would run afoul. Would that extend to adding an external USB drive? Where is the limit?
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03-16-2022, 08:11 AM
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#4608
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Monster Storm
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Calgary
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Is there a winner yet? I can’t tell
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03-16-2022, 08:12 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Pickle Jar Lake
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Originally Posted by surferguy
Is there a winner yet? I can’t tell
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This is the internet, there are no winners.
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03-16-2022, 08:43 AM
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#4610
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by surferguy
Is there a winner yet? I can’t tell
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Yeah, we might need a referee or a judge. Hopefully someone is paying $500!
Who would think, in the home improvement thread of all places.
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03-16-2022, 08:50 AM
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#4611
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Uncle Chester
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I really want these guys to discover that they know each other in real life.
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03-16-2022, 09:05 AM
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#4612
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Monster Storm
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by SportsJunky
I really want these guys to discover that they know each other in real life.
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03-16-2022, 09:11 AM
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#4613
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Originally Posted by SportsJunky
I really want these guys to discover that they know each other in real life.
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Me too!
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03-16-2022, 09:11 AM
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#4614
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The new goggles also do nothing.
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary
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All I know is I've been told the same thing as PaperBagger'14 said by multiple electricians over the years.
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03-16-2022, 09:18 AM
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When you get into this legalese type of argument no one wins. JMO but changing a bulb is using the fixture as it was intended and by no means is a repair or alteration and there's not an inspector on the planet who would say otherwise. Unless of course it's the old elbow in the ribs, 'you know this needs a permit'  kind of comment.
Under this pretense I would need a permit to change the motherboard on my furnace? Trying to think of another obtuse example.
Again JMO amateur opinion. My electrical experience is limited to rewiring three houses complete with service connections/panels etc. on homeowners permits with the help of PS Knight. Never failed an inspection.
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03-16-2022, 09:32 AM
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#4616
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Join Date: Feb 2010
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Originally Posted by CroFlames
What is the land use bylaw for what % of lot can be covered?
Again, this isn't even a shed. It's four posts with an aluminum roof.
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What’s your zoning? You can find it here if you don’t know it: https://maps.calgary.ca/myProperty/
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03-16-2022, 09:38 AM
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#4617
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Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Originally Posted by topfiverecords
If I had excess cash, for fun, I’d pull an electrical permit just to see the look on the inspector’s face when he shows up and I lead him to where I changed a lightbulb.
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Oh crap, look what I started! 
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03-16-2022, 09:39 AM
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#4618
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R-1 residential. My home currently (with attached garage) takes up 34.6% of the lot.
Even if I added a gazebo/pavilion that was 20m2 I'd be at 38%.
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03-16-2022, 09:43 AM
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#4619
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Join Date: Feb 2010
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Originally Posted by CroFlames
R-1 residential. My home currently (with attached garage) takes up 34.6% of the lot.
Even if I added a gazebo/pavilion that was 20m2 I'd be at 38%.
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You good then. R1 are 45% like timun said. He got one right.
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03-16-2022, 09:45 AM
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#4620
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Such a pretty girl!
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by photon
All I know is I've been told the same thing as PaperBagger'14 said by multiple electricians over the years.
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And yet some have told me the opposite lol.
Codes suck, they are left to interpretation sometimes, even by the inspector.
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