2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Monahan has had games with Mangiapane and Toffoli. He is not a Sutter player and is cooked here. Dvorak is a 2 way player that would fit the Sutter style more in my opinion

It's nowhere near the same:

Monahan has had only 74 minutes with Toffoli (with either Lucic or Dube) and they scored 4 goals. CF% of 51.5.

He's had only 71 minutes with Mangiapane (with Dube or Coleman) and they scored 5 goals. CF% of 64%

In contrast he's had 252 minutes with Lucic and scored 5 goals (two of which were when Toffoli played with them). CF% of somewhere around 52%

https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/...s/sean-monahan

In fact, a lot of Dvorak's points were from when he played with Toffoli, as well as the ones he got with Anderson, Gallagher, Hoffman, Drouin, etc. He's also under water in CF% in most combinations.

https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/...ristian-dvorak

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Sec214

but Monahan is a trigger man not a set up man. Magipane and Toffoli are better finishers in CURRENT state.

Maybe, but that's a roster wide problem. We have two playmakers on this roster (upfront) and they play together (Gaudreau/Tkachuk).

Mangiapane - Monahan - Dube have also seen extremely limited time together (25 minutes) and had incredible results.

Stapling Monahan to Lucic and or Lewis isn't going to work and we have seen that over and over.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Sec214

You cant put a Square Peg into a round hole. At this point we know what Monahan is and it's not a setup man. He doesn't create offence on this group, Maybe somewhere else.

Maybe a player who was never a trigger man until being parked next to one of the greatest playmakers of the era for 5 development years straight is not just a "square peg".

It's not a video game. The players have more than just one skill. There are numerous examples out there of Monahan having excellent vision and passing skills.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sec214

but Monahan is a trigger man not a set up man. Magipane and Toffoli are better finishers in CURRENT state.

Monahan has actually made some great setups lately. Unfortunately they were to Dube, Kylington when he had a bad case of the whiffs, and most recently Ritchie (the breakaway against the Avs).

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Maybe, but that's a roster wide problem. We have two playmakers on this roster (upfront) and they play together (Gaudreau/Tkachuk).

Mangiapane - Monahan - Dube have also seen extremely limited time together (25 minutes) and had incredible results.

Stapling Monahan to Lucic and or Lewis isn't going to work and we have seen that over and over.

So your saying we need a 2C playmaking center that isn't Monahan?

[Monahammer]

https://www.nhl.com/flames/video/gau...7092/c-7495682

This guy sucks at passing

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

https://www.nhl.com/flames/video/gau...7092/c-7495682

This guy sucks at passing

Find me a play where he uses his speed and vision to make an incredible pass in the last two seasons.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Knut

I mean Chariot is a bit redundant on the roster. You need someone like Kulak to come in and eat popcorn. Someone experienced enough to pop into the lineup in case of injury and you are not worrried about it.

Someone like... Stone?

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

2023 1st is far more untouchable than Pelletier. Flames would be crazy to give up that pick with the roster uncertainty.

Have to imagine it would be lottery pick top ten protected.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Maybe, but that's a roster wide problem. We have two playmakers on this roster (upfront) and they play together (Gaudreau/Tkachuk).

Mangiapane - Monahan - Dube have also seen extremely limited time together (25 minutes) and had incredible results.

Stapling Monahan to Lucic and or Lewis isn't going to work and we have seen that over and over.

It's also why lots of people have been calling for Matthew Phillips to get called up.

He fits the role of playmaker for our bottom 6.

In terms of Monahan himself...he hasn't had a good season but a lot of that has been shooting percentage driven.

Also

Monahan without Lewis: 54.4% xGF%, 5.21% On Ice Shooting, .915 save percentage
Monahan with Lewis: 42.3% xGF%, 3.33% On-Ice Shooting, .922 save percentage
Lewis without Monahan: 49.2% xGF%, 7.2% On-Ice Shooting, .926 save percentage

Team without Monahan or Lewis: 58.4% xGF%, 9.4% On-Ice Shooting, .934 save percentage

So in terms of the xGF rate Monahan Monahan isn't that far off the pace from the rest of the team. It's the finishing and save percentage that have been much worse with him on the ice. But I'm not sure how much of that is his fault as the xGF and xGA rates don't indicate he is generating substantially fewer quality chances or giving up more high danger chances

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Find me a play where he uses his speed and vision to make an incredible pass in the last two seasons.

I'm not your slave. Use google. There was a game against Montreal last season where Monahan had a couple assists. One was a great play off the boards behind the net where he found Johnny out front. There's a good example.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Find me a play where he uses his speed and vision to make an incredible pass in the last two seasons.

The one I shared was from last season and definitely shows his vision? You know he doesn't have speed so not sure what you're looking for.
Dvorak isn't going to give you speed though.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Have to imagine it would be lottery pick top ten protected.

So they could be a in rebuild and retain 1 top 10 pick and give up another the next year?

This team is back in building mode if their key players move on this summer and it won’t be a 1 year turnaround.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Sec214

So your saying we need a 2C playmaking center that isn't Monahan?

Ideally, yes. I think most would agree with that a playmaking 2C would be an perfect fit for this roster. In the meantime however Monahan should be afforded the opportunity to play consistently with some combination of talent that can compliment his playstyle, and it really is puzzling why he hasn't seen a greater look this year alongside two talented wingers together.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The one I shared was from last season and definitely shows his vision? You know he doesn't have speed so not sure what you're looking for.
Dvorak isn't going to give you speed though.

Dvorak is a 200ft player and that is something Sutter and the team covet

[Tkachukwagon]

Sorry to interrupt the Monahan conversation with trade rumours. First I’ve seen on Chiarot to the Blues, sure hope it’s true because I don’t want him anywhere near the Flames.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1503749768941641729

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Find me a play where he uses his speed and vision to make an incredible pass in the last two seasons.

What does speed have to do with it?

Anyway, pass to Dube three games ago. Dube misses the net. Pass to Kylington. Kylington fans. Sprung Ritchie on a breakaway last hgame with a great pass.

Earlier, this year, set up Coleman with a beautiful pass. Set up Mangiapane with a nice pass as well.

https://ne-np.facebook.com/NHL/video...8802492329083/

[traptor]

Monahan is almost certainly not here next year.
At this point in time hes the least value for his cap it on the flames.The flames NEED his cap space next year to re-sign the core.

If you can move him at the TDL to help alleviate cap pressure for next season and get a more effective 2c/3c for the playoffs, you have to do it.

Unless you're getting a ppg center with some control and moving monahan the 2023 1st, pelletier, corronato and wolf should be untouchable.

Flames still have alot of other pieces though. X2 2nds this year,2nd next year, dube, valimaki, zary, and all cakgarys b prospects all hold good value and could get you a statsny, copp or jankrok.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

Sorry to interrupt the Monohan conversation with trade rumours. First I’ve seen on Chiarot to the Blues, sure hope it’s true because I don’t want him anywhere near the Flames.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1503749768941641729

Well, then what are we getting for Pelletier?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Buff

Well, then what are we getting for Pelletier?

A 3rd line winger next year at $863K