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Harry Lime · 03-15-2022, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

By what measure?

Dvorak PPG: .47

Monahan PPG: .37

Dvorak between Hoffman and Gallagher, Monahan between Lucic and some guy off the street. And I like Dvorak.

Mathgod · 03-15-2022, 01:31 PM

The more I think about it, the more it seems like Riley Sheahan would be a solid pickup for the Flames. Low cost, low risk, plenty of playoff experience, and he's been playing better than Monahan this year 5-on-5 in just about every metric.

Sec214 · 03-15-2022, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NewFan

Don't trade Valimaki, Pelletier or 2023 1st rounder. We need them next year.

Why wouldn't you? I mean how many chances to do you have to go all in? This will pretty much be it be for the crunch is real... Pelletier is the only one I consider untouchable unless its in a deal for a Barzel type player - Elite 1/2C. Not saying he's available.

This team Desperately needs a 2C Playmaking Center. Lindy is 1, Backlund is 3. Dube/Richardson can be 4.

Mackey getting the call up is a clear indication of who the flames favor in the pipe line for D.

Vinny01 · 03-15-2022, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Dvorak between Hoffman and Gallagher, Monahan between Lucic and some guy off the street. And I like Dvorak.

Monahan has had games with Mangiapane and Toffoli. He is not a Sutter player and is cooked here. Dvorak is a 2 way player that would fit the Sutter style more in my opinion

SaskyFlamesFan · 03-15-2022, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sec214

Why wouldn't you? I mean how many chances to do you have to go all in? This will pretty much be it be for the crunch is real... Pelletier is the only one I consider untouchable unless its in a deal for a Barzel type player - Elite 1/2C. Not saying he's available.

This team Desperately needs a 2C Playmaking Center. Lindy is 1, Backlund is 3. Dube/Richardson can be 4.

Mackey getting the call up is a clear indication of who the flames favor in the pipe line for D.

Pelletier and Wolf are the only two untouchables for me. 2023 first is 2-3 years away from playing probably.

First rounder and everything else (not on the roster outside of Monahan and even Dube) should be in play this year in my opinion.

Vinny01 · 03-15-2022, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sec214

Why wouldn't you? I mean how many chances to do you have to go all in? This will pretty much be it be for the crunch is real... Pelletier is the only one I consider untouchable unless its in a deal for a Barzel type player - Elite 1/2C. Not saying he's available.

This team Desperately needs a 2C Playmaking Center. Lindy is 1, Backlund is 3. Dube/Richardson can be 4.

Mackey getting the call up is a clear indication of who the flames favor in the pipe line for D.

2023 1st is far more untouchable than Pelletier. Flames would be crazy to give up that pick with the roster uncertainty.

NewFan · 03-15-2022, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sec214

Why wouldn't you? I mean how many chances to do you have to go all in? This will pretty much be it be for the crunch is real... Pelletier is the only one I consider untouchable unless its in a deal for a Barzel type player - Elite 1/2C. Not saying he's available.

This team Desperately needs a 2C Playmaking Center. Lindy is 1, Backlund is 3. Dube/Richardson can be 4.

Mackey getting the call up is a clear indication of who the flames favor in the pipe line for D.

I think there is no legit 2nd line C who we can trade for. If there is one, sure.

But trade our younger guys for 3rd line C or dept D is not good idea.

Harry Lime · 03-15-2022, 01:40 PM

The only centres that can slot into the 2C spot, and are available, are Giroux (who I guess won't come here), Miller and Hertl (both rumoured to be re-signing or staying now) and Statsny. So I guess it's Statsny or bust.

dino7c · 03-15-2022, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NewFan

Don't trade Valimaki, Pelletier or 2023 1st rounder. We need them next year to fill the roster as they are cheap and good young skilled players.

unknown at the NHL level...nothing should be off the table. I wouldn't just give them away but if you can improve the team now you do it IMO. This is the best Flames team in 30 years, if not now when do you ever go all in?

Harry Lime · 03-15-2022, 01:41 PM

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Dvorak (upper body) has been cleared for contact in practice but still does not have a return timetable, Eric Engels of Sportsnet.ca reports.

Dvorak has sat out the last 18 games with the injury and figures to miss at least a few more while he gets up to game speed. The 26-year-old has produced 16 points in 34 games in his first season outside Arizona.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/ho...d-for-contact/

Dvorak might be game ready just before the deadline. Curious timing.

getbak · 03-15-2022, 01:43 PM

The Flames can't actually trade their 2023 first, can they? It's technically still tied-up as a condition on the Toffoli trade.

howard_the_duck · 03-15-2022, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Dvorak between Hoffman and Gallagher, Monahan between Lucic and some guy off the street. And I like Dvorak.

And save for 10 games, top unit PP time. I think we’ve seen it’s more than linemates for Monahan by now.

Sec214 · 03-15-2022, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

2023 1st is far more untouchable than Pelletier. Flames would be crazy to give up that pick with the roster uncertainty.

Sure, I can see your standpoint but they flames have many assets that could turn into 2023 1st round picks in the future. Everything is lottery protected these days.

You have to push the chips at some point. The owners will absolutely take a Long playoff run of revenue and a chance at the cup for 5-8 years of young guns if it falls apart.

The time is now, it's very clear.

Pelletier fills a clear void in the roster in the future if Johnny/Chucky/Mangipane don't sign long term.

Vinny01 · 03-15-2022, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by getbak

The Flames can't actually trade their 2023 first, can they? It's technically still tied-up as a condition on the Toffoli trade.

They would just need conditions on that pick. Same thing happened when they traded for Smith and Hamonic and the 2nd would move years depending on the conditions of the Smith deal

Sec214 · 03-15-2022, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by getbak

The Flames can't actually trade their 2023 first, can they? It's technically still tied-up as a condition on the Toffoli trade.

I think they can still trade it, just would have to forfeit the 22 Pick to Montreal regardless of where we finish at this point its very unlikely to be a top 10 Pick.

HighLifeMan · 03-15-2022, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Monahan has had games with Mangiapane and Toffoli. He is not a Sutter player and is cooked here. Dvorak is a 2 way player that would fit the Sutter style more in my opinion

Monahan has played a grand total of 4 minutes with those two players together. It is the most blatantly obvious combination to at the very least try and get Monahan going.

Sec214 · 03-15-2022, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Monahan has played a grand total of 4 minutes with those two players together. It is the most blatantly obvious combination to at the very least try and get Monahan going.

but Monahan is a trigger man not a set up man. Magipane and Toffoli are better finishers in CURRENT state.

Monahammer · 03-15-2022, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sec214

but Monahan is a trigger man not a set up man. Magipane and Toffoli are better finishers in CURRENT state.

Monahan hasn't been a trigger man for two years. Try him there and make him be a set up man.

Vinny01 · 03-15-2022, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sec214

Sure, I can see your standpoint but they flames have many assets that could turn into 2023 1st round picks in the future. Everything is lottery protected these days.

You have to push the chips at some point. The owners will absolutely take a Long playoff run of revenue and a chance at the cup for 5-8 years of young guns if it falls apart.

The time is now, it's very clear.

Pelletier fills a clear void in the roster in the future if Johnny/Chucky/Mangipane don't sign long term.

If those 3 don’t sign long term we are headed to a rebuild and the 23 pick remains more valuable than Pelletier. I heard on the FAN the other day the entire 1st round is looking solid for 23 and likely will be the best draft since 15.

If you want to go all in I would rather move Pelletier or any other prospect before a pick that has far more potential to be a franchise changer than the others.

Trading future picks absolutely hamstrings a team. Treliving did that in 2017, and 18 which made making deals very tough at the 2019 deadline when they were in 1st.

I don’t think this team needs to make a huge splash but if they did I would hope that 23 1st is off the table. Tkachuk pushes his way out and Johnny signs elsewhere and then this team is sitting without a pick?

Sec214 · 03-15-2022, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

Monahan hasn't been a trigger man for two years. Try him there and make him be a set up man.

You cant put a Square Peg into a round hole. At this point we know what Monahan is and it's not a setup man. He doesn't create offence on this group, Maybe somewhere else.