03-04-2022, 12:03 PM
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#2861
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Franchise Player
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Videos of Ukrainians joyriding in Russian equipment is one of the few silver linings in this situation right now.
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03-04-2022, 12:07 PM
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#2862
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Franchise Player
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Putin excels as much at his anti-west energy campaigns, as he does at his domestic news campaigns.
Sadly, decently well.
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03-04-2022, 12:11 PM
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#2863
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by OptimalTates
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60600487
Reasons like this are why I think it's reasonable to ban Russia from World Juniors and International Cat Federation. It's not about penalizing individuals who have no say in the matters.
Many Russians believe that the Russian forces are liberating Ukraine from Nazis. Putin wanted his people to think that the Ukrainians welcomed the soldiers with open arms and that it's just a radical group of terrorists fighting against them. That the rest of the world had no issue, or in this case if it's true, that the USA is supporting them by way of sending "fighters."
The more "normal" everything is with the everyday Russian, the more they will believe the propaganda. But have the West show support for Ukraine and sanctions against Russia, the harder it is to hide. The more the individual Russian will have to question why. Why aren't we invited to World Juniors? Why did a bunch of western players leave the KHL during playoffs? Why won't they show the premiere league? Why the #### did the ICT not accept my application for Ms. Sparkles Esquire?
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Conversely, showing athletes and their families that the West doesn't live under a fascist dictatorship and that it's actually much more liberated here, than in Russia, has major advantages.
Also, punishing citizens for the actions of the governments is never good. You don't know their specific experiences. For all you know, they could be suffering under Putin's regime too.
Banning people with dissenting opinions from entering their country is what a fascist government would do. So the ban makes it easy for Russia to turn around and say we told you so.
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03-04-2022, 12:13 PM
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#2864
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: St. George's, Grenada
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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother
Is Blackwater still in business?
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Yeah, a few ownership changes, merges and name changes. They're called Academi now
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03-04-2022, 12:23 PM
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#2865
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by DownInFlames
Or Israel's occupation of Palestine, except we're cool with that.
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I like to think that Palestine would be a state by now in Gaza and the vast majority of the West Bank but for Hamas but yeah go ahead and disagree with me on that.
Edit: Apologies. Not in this thread.
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03-04-2022, 12:24 PM
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#2866
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Sylvan Lake
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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy
I like to think that Palestine would be a state by now in Gaza and the vast majority of the West Bank but for Hamas but yeah go ahead and disagree with me on that.
Edit: Apologies. Not in this thread.
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Thank you for the edit.
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03-04-2022, 12:29 PM
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#2868
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Ontario
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Originally Posted by btimbit
Yeah, a few ownership changes, merges and name changes. They're called Academi now
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War on Education now?
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03-04-2022, 12:49 PM
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#2869
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Firebot
There are some rather grim videos, if you search Gostomel on twitter right now which was pushed hard by Russians and retaken / held by Ukrainian forces in the past 24 hours. A complete total war zone. Very raw, NSFL, not going to post the links but they are very prevalent on Twitter right now.
The russian army has been completely decimated there. Body parts everywhere and soldiers hanging from tanks. Videos of Russians deliberately shelling apartment buildings point blank as well before they are getting killed.
Ukraine now has several more RPO-A Thermobarics in their hands now.
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Pretty grizzly stuff.
There was one video from yesterday where they found 5 or 6 dead Russian soldiers in the bush lined up on the ground. You could see that they were all partially bandaged with some clothing removed, but left to die. I can't imagine it is easy for a medic to abandon patients mid-treatment, so there must have been some kind of route by the Ukrainian forces is my guess.
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03-04-2022, 12:50 PM
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#2870
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Calgary, Canada
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I am really curious as to what internal conversations are like with the G8 nations and at which point taking out Putin and the military heads becomes a reality.
I know I know, he has nukes and all that jazz but now that is talking about cutting off fuel and nat gas to Europe, firing rockets and bombs at nuclear facilities, opening hitting civilians etc.
Putin isn't some sort of spineless leader, he does what he says and what he wants. I am just curious if the risk of a massive nuclear explosion, poising ground water and the air, crops and than having European energy be cut off from heating their homes and powering their economy.
Sooner or later the calculation must be that he has to go. It will not be a death toll issue but a financial and cost issue.
It's stunning what we are witnessing in 2022 and a moment in history.
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03-04-2022, 01:08 PM
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#2871
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Pickle Jar Lake
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“We’re in shock at how dumb their behavior is,” said another member of the Ukrainian special-forces unit who has been going on missions in the area every night. His unit, he said, had lost two soldiers since the war began nine days ago, and killed more than 60 Russians in recent days. “Now, we mostly focus on hitting their rear, their supply convoys, because if they don’t get fuel, they can’t do anything.”
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine...es-11646417190
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03-04-2022, 01:09 PM
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#2872
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by curves2000
I am really curious as to what internal conversations are like with the G8 nations and at which point taking out Putin and the military heads becomes a reality.
I know I know, he has nukes and all that jazz but now that is talking about cutting off fuel and nat gas to Europe, firing rockets and bombs at nuclear facilities, opening hitting civilians etc.
Putin isn't some sort of spineless leader, he does what he says and what he wants. I am just curious if the risk of a massive nuclear explosion, poising ground water and the air, crops and than having European energy be cut off from heating their homes and powering their economy.
Sooner or later the calculation must be that he has to go. It will not be a death toll issue but a financial and cost issue.
It's stunning what we are witnessing in 2022 and a moment in history.
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I think if the West does take action against Russia, it will be swift, extremely severe (possibly using tactical nukes) and happen without much warning.
The last thing you want is to give Putin and his regime the chance to counter any attack.
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03-04-2022, 01:15 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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The 40km russian convoy that made so much news in recent days is in danger of being totally encircled. Their escape route is already blown up and ukrainian forces are pincering in around it.
This could become a moment similar to the 1941 Battle of Kiev (russians had over 100K troops encircled), or even Stalingrad with the infamous Germany encirclement.
If Ukrainian forces can deal a fatal blow to this convoy, the southern line can be reinforced.
This is fast becoming one of the biggest military blunders in history and we are seeing it happen in real time (and it's already one of the biggest political blunders in history).
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03-04-2022, 01:17 PM
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#2875
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Pickle Jar Lake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebot
The 40km russian convoy that made so much news in recent days is in danger of being totally encircled. Their escape route is already blown up and ukrainian forces are pincering in around it.
This could become a moment similar to the 1941 Battle of Kiev (russians had over 100K troops encircled), or even Stalingrad.
If Ukrainian forces can deal a fatal blow to this convoy, the southern line can be reinforced.
This is fast becoming one of the biggest military blunders in history and we are seeing it happen in real time (and it's already one of the biggest political blunders in history).
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Are there soldiers just hanging around in that convoy? I can't figure it out at all. Presumably they have run out of fuel and supplies, so I assumed they all just walked back to Belarus. If they are staying with the vehicles, what is the plan? It's really baffling.
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03-04-2022, 01:21 PM
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#2876
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#1 Goaltender
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A number of soldiers have abandoned but there's little information being passed out right now. You likely won't hear much until it's announced the whole convoy has been destroyed.
It's still insane that they used unencrypted ham radios you can purchase from Amazon for their tactical communication. There's a website you can listen real time to the frequency they used and even a dedicated twitch stream attempting translation.
That Ukrainian forces fully knows this and is even trolling their frequency lines to throw insults at Russian convoys just shows just how remarkably inept the Russian military has become and totally hollowed out due to corruption.
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03-04-2022, 01:21 PM
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#2877
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Calgary
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Ex Israeli special forces crossed into Ukraine today from Poland, also some veterans from Canada who fought in Afghanistan.
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03-04-2022, 01:32 PM
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#2878
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by burn_this_city
Ex Israeli special forces crossed into Ukraine today from Poland, also some veterans from Canada who fought in Afghanistan.
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I understand this sort of thing is a good diplomatic and morale boost. But with everything else they’re trying to handle, does the Ukrainian military really have the time to integrate these guys into their communications and command structure? There are loads of Russian saboteurs and fifth columnists running around Ukraine (which is why Kiev has imposed a curfew). I don’t see how introducing armed bands of foreign randos to the theatre will help matters.
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If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
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03-04-2022, 01:33 PM
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#2879
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by blankall
Conversely, showing athletes and their families that the West doesn't live under a fascist dictatorship and that it's actually much more liberated here, than in Russia, has major advantages.
Also, punishing citizens for the actions of the governments is never good. You don't know their specific experiences. For all you know, they could be suffering under Putin's regime too.
Banning people with dissenting opinions from entering their country is what a fascist government would do. So the ban makes it easy for Russia to turn around and say we told you so.
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World Juniors (IIHF) and the International Cat Federation are not countries though? If there is an ICT country let me know and I'm looking at citizen requirements.
But I specifically mentioned international organizations who act as international organizations as well as private businesses (Premiere League) and individuals (Western KHL players).
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03-04-2022, 01:35 PM
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#2880
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
I understand this sort of thing is a good diplomatic and morale boost. But with everything else they’re trying to handle, does the Ukrainian military really have the time to integrate these guys into their communications and command structure? There are loads of Russian saboteurs and fifth columnists running around Ukraine (which is why Kiev has imposed a curfew). I don’t see how introducing armed bands of foreign randos to the theatre will help matters.
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There's been westerners there since 2014 fighting with them, I think they have a decent idea how to utilize those guys.
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