03-03-2022, 10:31 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by 81MC
What? Pretty sure in this very thread there was concern about the NPPs security. More than likely Russia doesn’t want to start a nuclear meltdown, but was there any doubt that bald is Ukraine’s power supply would be easy targets.
Bombing civilians? Yeah, that doesn’t surprise literally anyone.
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If you had shooting rockets at a nuclear power plant predicted link me the post.
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03-03-2022, 10:36 PM
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#2783
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Originally Posted by Trojan97
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I guess economic sanctions are working if they basically shutdown your stock market for weeks (or more) at a time.
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03-03-2022, 10:53 PM
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#2784
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy
Every FOX News interview has them asking their guest whether Putin should be assassinated lol.
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The conspiracy news channel isn't worth watching.
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03-03-2022, 11:03 PM
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#2785
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Originally Posted by Dion
The conspiracy news channel isn't worth watching.
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Agree. On my cable it’s grouped with CNN, CTV, BBC World etc so occasionally I check in for the head shakes.
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03-03-2022, 11:12 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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China could be making a play here offering Ukraine a 3rd option. Ally with China. Russia might give up on their ambitions. Ukraine likely gets a lot of investment from China and keeps their country. Russia is happy that NATO isn't an option any more and they would have to go through a Chinese protectorate to harm them (not that I think it is a rational concern, but you know Russia). China gets a footprint in Europe which I am sure they would love. Unless NATO thinks Ukraine can really win, they might reluctantly agree to it.
It wouldn't be the first time that China took a European country as an ally. They did it with Albania and tried to do it with Yugoslavia.
It's probably crazy, but maybe crazy enough to work. It's worth mentioning that China has been making inroads in Kazakhstan, so they are not adverse to moving in on post soviet countries.
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Last edited by FlamesAddiction; 03-03-2022 at 11:16 PM.
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03-03-2022, 11:24 PM
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NOT breaking news
Join Date: Jan 2007
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
China could be making a play here offering Ukraine a 3rd option. Ally with China. Russia might give up on their ambitions. Ukraine likely gets a lot of investment from China and keeps their country. Russia is happy that NATO isn't an option any more and they would have to go through a Chinese protectorate to harm them (not that I think it is a rational concern, but you know Russia). China gets a footprint in Europe which I am sure they would love. Unless NATO thinks Ukraine can really win, they might reluctantly agree to it.
It wouldn't be the first time that China took a European country as an ally. They did it with Albania and tried to do it with Yugoslavia.
It's probably crazy, but maybe crazy enough to work. It's worth mentioning that China has been making inroads in Kazakhstan, so they are not adverse to moving in on post soviet countries.
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Yup. Armenia, Tajikistan and Kyrgistan also have Belt and Road Initiatives.
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03-03-2022, 11:59 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
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Originally Posted by GirlySports
Yup. Armenia, Tajikistan and Kyrgistan also have Belt and Road Initiatives.
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It's kind of funny, but twice during the Soviet era, Mongolia had asked to become part of the Soviet Union, but they refused out of respect that China saw it as a country in their sphere. It didn't stop the Soviets from essentially making it a Soviet state without union though. They do have a history of being friends and also taking advantage of each other.
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03-04-2022, 12:49 AM
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The world now has this century’s Hitler. That’s Putin’s legacy. Unprovoked attack during a global pandemic.
Last edited by Manhattanboy; 03-04-2022 at 12:52 AM.
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03-04-2022, 01:09 AM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Calgary
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Pretty in-depth article indicating that there is no anti-war movement in Russia despite the protests, and suggesting that - despite our wishes - the elites are beholden to Putin, not the other way around. Interestingly, there's mention of some people wanting Abramovich to be part of the negotiating process. This is the first I've heard of that.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...in-lose-russia
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03-04-2022, 06:56 AM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy
The world now has this century’s Hitler. That’s Putin’s legacy. Unprovoked attack during a global pandemic.
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Putin may be a lot of things but he's not Hitler. Let's keep in mind that Hitler not only started a war with the aim to conquer all of Europe (and possibly more) but he also set aside the systematic murder of people that he deemed not good enough to continue to be part of the human race. This invasion is a crime and a tragedy but, at its root, it's closer to (but not the same as) the Soviet invasion in Afghanistan, the US invasion of Vietnam or possibly even the US invasion of Iraq.
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03-04-2022, 07:08 AM
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#2792
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Location: Alberta
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https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news...0cea81c3c37be5
Management at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in Enerhodar is now working at gunpoint, the company that runs the station said.
Petro Kotin, the head of the state-owned nuclear power generator Energoatom, said on Telegram that Russian forces "entered the territory of the nuclear power plant, took control of the personnel and management of the nuclear power plant."
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03-04-2022, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by GirlySports
Yup. Armenia, Tajikistan and Kyrgistan also have Belt and Road Initiatives.
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Didn’t prevent Armenia from losing the recent Nagorno-Karabakh war.
China has no record of projecting power to defend an ally that isn’t an immediate neighbour (Vietnam, N Korea).
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03-04-2022, 07:26 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
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Russia now has a new law which makes spreading disinformation about the Russian military punishable by fine or up to 15 years of prison.
Which obviously is targeted to silence people from telling the truth, but this is such a weird way to do it, because it makes everyone and anyone participating in spreading Putins lies about Ukraine legally culpable if there's a regime change, and I don't see that as something that would actually strengthen Putin's position.
In general it seems like a terrible idea to even open up the possibility of someone going to court to argue what is the truth about Ukraine, no matter how corrupt the legal system is.
Idk what to call it. Chaotic fascism?
It is however a decisively double or nothing move, which makes it incredibly sad.
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03-04-2022, 07:40 AM
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Craig McTavish' Merkin
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Originally Posted by Red Slinger
Putin may be a lot of things but he's not Hitler. Let's keep in mind that Hitler not only started a war with the aim to conquer all of Europe (and possibly more) but he also set aside the systematic murder of people that he deemed not good enough to continue to be part of the human race. This invasion is a crime and a tragedy but, at its root, it's closer to (but not the same as) the Soviet invasion in Afghanistan, the US invasion of Vietnam or possibly even the US invasion of Iraq.
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Or Israel's occupation of Palestine, except we're cool with that.
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03-04-2022, 07:43 AM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
China could be making a play here offering Ukraine a 3rd option. Ally with China. Russia might give up on their ambitions. Ukraine likely gets a lot of investment from China and keeps their country. Russia is happy that NATO isn't an option any more and they would have to go through a Chinese protectorate to harm them (not that I think it is a rational concern, but you know Russia). China gets a footprint in Europe which I am sure they would love. Unless NATO thinks Ukraine can really win, they might reluctantly agree to it.
It wouldn't be the first time that China took a European country as an ally. They did it with Albania and tried to do it with Yugoslavia.
It's probably crazy, but maybe crazy enough to work. It's worth mentioning that China has been making inroads in Kazakhstan, so they are not adverse to moving in on post soviet countries.
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You turn that offer down every time. Belt and Road is economic slavery, as demonstrated in Africa. The Chinese go in build you a bunch of stuff and then put high interest demands on your country so you stay subservient.
Either way your a slave to a dictator. At least Putin would see you as Russian and one of his.
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03-04-2022, 07:47 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Okay guys, call off the sanctions. Miss understanding.
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukra...lensky-1684887
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Russian President Vladimir Putin has said that Russia has no "ill intentions" towards Ukraine, hours after Russian forces had seized Europe's biggest nuclear power plant.
Putin made the comment on the state-controlled Rossiya 24 news channel on Friday in which he called on neighboring countries "to think about how to normalize relations."
"I want to emphasize once again. We have no ill intentions towards our neighbors, and I would advise them not to escalate the situation, nor to introduce any restrictions," he said, according to news agencies.
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03-04-2022, 07:49 AM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Itse
Russia now has a new law which makes spreading disinformation about the Russian military punishable by fine or up to 15 years of prison.
Which obviously is targeted to silence people from telling the truth, but this is such a weird way to do it, because it makes everyone and anyone participating in spreading Putins lies about Ukraine legally culpable if there's a regime change, and I don't see that as something that would actually strengthen Putin's position.
In general it seems like a terrible idea to even open up the possibility of someone going to court to argue what is the truth about Ukraine, no matter how corrupt the legal system is.
Idk what to call it. Chaotic fascism?
It is however a decisively double or nothing move, which makes it incredibly sad.
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In a way it’s kinda fascinating to watch modern fascism unfold. It’s different than 20th century fascism but certainly some of the tell tale signs are there.
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03-04-2022, 08:01 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by DownInFlames
Or Israel's occupation of Palestine, except we're cool with that.
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This is just incorrect...
The other wars were all very different in one key aspect, they were the aggressor. Isreal was not the aggressor, Palestine and their allies attacked Isreal and lost badly, and lost territory due to their stupid (xenophobic) war.
This war would only be the same if Russia attacked Ukraine, and Ukraine promptly took back Crimea then took North Caucasian and Southern Russia. Then they made peace and say well these are mine now.
Edit: oh they'd need to take a small piece of Belarus as well.
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03-04-2022, 08:03 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor
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I'd avoid newsweek completely.. they've put out some ridiculous stuff
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