Russia invades Ukraine

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If the negitiatiosn are pointless, and Russia won't stop until Ukraine is utterly defeated, what real options exist? The west is forced to join in, and provoke nuclear war, or Ukraine is left to fall completely...and other outcomes here?

Sadly, the only option is to continue to cripple Russia with sanctions, etc.. Ukraine falling is inevitable unfortunately. It's horrible and despicable. But the chances of the west putting actual boots on the ground is zilch, especially if there's a threat of Putin using nukes.

[burn_this_city]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1499316360299651077

[CaptainCrunch]

Kherson has surrendered


https://nationalpost.com/news/ukrain...russian-forces

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

https://twitter.com/user/status/1499316360299651077

Good

#### Him

[CroFlames]

I think we are at a point were Ukraine needs to hold out until the sanctions on Russia squeeze them so hard that they are compelled to stop the war. Once it becomes desperate enough at home, they will have to stop and/or someone in the inner circle with betray and murder Putin. There is no end-game where Putin (and probably Lavrov) comes out of this alive.

That's how I see it unfolding.

The hope is that with thousands of volunteers joining the fight, the West pouring material and dollars into Ukraine, they can hold out until Russia falls economically.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I think we are at a point were Ukraine needs to hold out until the sanctions on Russia squeeze them so hard that they are compelled to stop the war. Once it becomes desperate enough at home, they will have to stop and/or someone in the inner circle with betray and murder Putin. There is no end-game where Putin (and probably Lavrov) comes out of this alive.

That's how I see it unfolding.

The hope is that with thousands of volunteers joining the fight, the West pouring material and dollars into Ukraine, they can hold out until Russia falls economically.

We are at a point where The West needs to completely include Russian Energy in the sanctions.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Good

#### Him

Why?

[PeteMoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1499414654648467460

O&G peeps will have to tell me if this is a big deal or a big company.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Why?

A general is in a position where he can actually make a difference. If he believed this war was unjust, he could have done any number of things instead of continuing the attack.

He's as guilty as Putin, IMO.

I wish death upon Putin, so I think I'm OK with this scum dying also.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I think we are at a point were Ukraine needs to hold out until the sanctions on Russia squeeze them so hard that they are compelled to stop the war. Once it becomes desperate enough at home, they will have to stop and/or someone in the inner circle with betray and murder Putin. There is no end-game where Putin (and probably Lavrov) comes out of this alive.

That's how I see it unfolding.

The hope is that with thousands of volunteers joining the fight, the West pouring material and dollars into Ukraine, they can hold out until Russia falls economically.

Hopefully Ukraine can hold out, but I am not so sure that it matters in terms of how the sanctions would work. The west must keep upping the pressure on sanctions and create economic devastation in Russia. It doesn't look like it will be military devastation. The way out will be to cause as much pain in Russia and that means partly Ukraine lasting as long as it can and the rest of the world holding firm and hopefully increasing sanctions.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Major General of an invading army is killed?

Yeah, good.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1499414654648467460

O&G peeps will have to tell me if this is a big deal or a big company.

Stock has gone from $92/share on Jan 31 to $6.96/share today.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Why?

Cuz he is Russian and has invaded Ukraine.

This isn't a corporal in some infantry section of the Russian army.

I'm not totally up on my Russian military hierarchy, but this dude is actively involved and supportive for Putin and Russia's policies. If he wasn't he wouldn't have been standing in Ukraine wearing that rank.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukra...nflict-1684441

So again, I am glad he is dead and #### him.

[cam_wmh]

####, sorry fellas I’m overtired. I read it as a Ukrainian general.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

####, sorry fellas I’m overtired. I read it as a Ukrainian general.

In fairness, when you asked I went back and read it 3 times to make sure I didn't read it incorrectly.

So we are agreed.

#### Him

Huzzah!

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Itse

https://twitter.com/user/status/1499137403419828224

Not sure if mentioned already, but it's "mud season" or "rasputitsa" in Ukraine. That in part explains why Russian vehicles need to use main roads to move around. If you try other roads, things can start looking like this.

The onset of mud season was cited as a reason why an invasion was imminent - the window before mud would make mobile warfare impractical was closing.

I do wonder how much pressure China put on Russia to delay until after the Olympics, and how much Putin is regretting such a delay now.

[burn_this_city]

It feels like the tide is turning in parts of Ukraine. There's a video on R/Ukraine with a barn full of Russian soldiers saying they haven't eaten in 3-4 days, they were sent to the meat grinder and are waiting 3 days for a ride out. Been told they can withdraw if they sign papers back dated before the invasion that they quit/were fired.

Well, we've been standing for the third or fourth day and we haven't eaten all these days. Here, the guys who were just thrown on cannon fodder. We are all gathered here, now they are telling us to sign some papers, they want to fire us, like. They say that tomorrow we will be fired, and today we will be taken to the PPD (Permanent deployment point, I guess). No one agrees with their conversations, we are all standing here already... How long have we been standing here, for 3-4 days? We were just sent to be a cannon fodder.. All the guys here who barely escaped who survived, and we are told to sign papers so that they cover themselves. They want to dismiss us retroactively as those who did not come here, who remained in the regiment. They brought us as if to a military exercise.
- damn cool military training. taught a lot of ####ing things.
- we are waiting until we are transported across the border. we have been told for the third day that they will take us, but no one takes us away
- say that we slept on the ground, in tents, without food, without water.
- that's where we slept, our feet are all wet. That's how they work. They want themselves...
- that's what the Russian army is like

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I think we are at a point were Ukraine needs to hold out until the sanctions on Russia squeeze them so hard that they are compelled to stop the war. Once it becomes desperate enough at home, they will have to stop and/or someone in the inner circle with betray and murder Putin. There is no end-game where Putin (and probably Lavrov) comes out of this alive.

That's how I see it unfolding.

The hope is that with thousands of volunteers joining the fight, the West pouring material and dollars into Ukraine, they can hold out until Russia falls economically.

Its got to get much tougher and quicker. Even then I doubt its enough.

Russia basically has the asset paid for. Military and equipment. It will take a while to deplete and even then the meagre revenues left are still enough to buy more bombs.

What needs to happen is more of what has been happening, soldiers getting so demoralized they quit. Its a very long shot.

Likelihood is Russia occupies, installs gov't, and rolls out, and stays a country in perpetual economic depression. Hoping the world moves on and wants its energy again.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The onset of mud season was cited as a reason why an invasion was imminent - the window before mud would make mobile warfare impractical was closing.

I do wonder how much pressure China put on Russia to delay until after the Olympics, and how much Putin is regretting such a delay now.

I don't think Putin ever cared about the delay so why piss off China? He didn't think the Ukrainians would fight or that the world would care. He miscalculated.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Its got to get much tougher and quicker. Even then I doubt its enough.

Russia basically has the asset paid for. Military and equipment. It will take a while to deplete and even then the meagre revenues left are still enough to buy more bombs.

What needs to happen is more of what has been happening, soldiers getting so demoralized they quit. Its a very long shot.

Likelihood is Russia occupies, installs gov't, and rolls out, and stays a country in perpetual economic depression. Hoping the world moves on and wants its energy again.

Russia being cutoff from SWIFT means they can't access markets. At all.

Even if they sent physical truckloads of Rubles to China to purchase things, no one wants Rubles.

They will become paralyzed and won't be able to continue the war. They'll need to quit as millions at home starve.