[OOT] February 25 with six games.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

yeah no #### lol

You honestly think that if they didn't acquire Eichel that Stone would be taking the entire rest of the regular season off?

We don't know how long Stone is out for. The league determines that. Of course, because you believe everything is a conspiracy, you believe Stone can just be put on LTIR exactly until the start of the playoffs and the league will comply.

I'll take Elliotte Friedman's word over yours, thank you. Call him whatever names you want.

They were pretty cocky with their roster and other teams in the division IMO

So what? They don't have much to be cocky about right now.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

For the 1000th time, ‘nagging injuries’ don't qualify a player for LTIR. He has to be physically unable to play for a minimum of 10 consecutive games or 24 consecutive days. The league actually does follow up on these things, contrary to your paranoid belief. Elliotte Friedman recently did a radio spot where he talked about the way the league has been policing the Habs' use of LTIR. Just because you don't see it and choose not to hear about it doesn't mean it isn't happening.



So their brilliant plan is to have a roster that would be well over the cap for the playoffs, and risk missing the playoffs altogether to do it? Sounds legit.

Well if the shill of the league says so...Martinez can participate in full practice since Jan 20th but is still on LTIR. He got cut on the face in early November.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

We don't know how long Stone is out for. The league determines that. Of course, because you believe everything is a conspiracy, you believe Stone can just be put on LTIR exactly until the start of the playoffs and the league will comply.

I'll take Elliotte Friedman's word over yours, thank you. Call him whatever names you want.



So what? They don't have much to be cocky about right now.

yes

I will bet you $100 that if Vegas makes the playoffs Stone will play game one...lets go

[dino7c]

that's what I thought

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

yes

I will bet you $100 that if Vegas makes the playoffs Stone will play game one...lets go

I don't bet – ever. I don't have any money to spare. Frankly, I wouldn't bet you five cents that I am alive.

If you are stupid enough to think that somehow proves your argument, that's your problem.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I don't bet – ever. I don't have any money to spare. Frankly, I wouldn't bet you five cents that I am alive.

If you are stupid enough to think that somehow proves your argument, that's your problem.

The proof will be when it happens, avatar bet?

It honestly boggles the mind that you don't think players are held out longer than they otherwise would be for cap reasons. Its happened multiple times already. You trying to tell me Kucherov wouldn't have played a few games at the end of the season if the cap wasn't an issue? Recovery just perfectly lined up exactly for game one of the playoffs? Kane too.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The proof will be when it happens, avatar bet?

I don't do avatars and am not the slightest bit interested in deciding what yours ought to be.

It honestly boggles the mind that you don't think players are held out longer than they otherwise would be for cap reasons. Its happened multiple times already. You trying to tell me Kucherov wouldn't have played a few games at the end of the season if the cap wasn't an issue? Recovery just perfectly lined up exactly for game one of the playoffs? Kane too.

Two cases suspected, neither proven. But you assume the proof, and conclude that every player who is on LTIR from a cap team you dislike is faking his injury and should never have been eligible for LTIR at all. Which is a very different matter from what happened with Kucherov or Kane.

Your position, as far as I can tell, is that neither Martinez nor Stone was ever injured sufficiently to be eligible for LTIR; but they agreed to sit out, and the league agreed to massively break its own rules, and the independent MDs who advise on such things agreed to falsify their records, because for some reason the NHL would rather see Vegas win the Stanley Cup crookedly than any other team win it honestly.

Oh, and the Golden Knights are so determined to do this that they will even sit out Robin Lehner and pin their playoff hopes on career tweener Laurent Brossoit and his .903 save percentage.

It is too thin, sir. It doesn't hold water.

[dino7c]

You're not even listening so what's the point

nobody is faking an injury...players are held out longer for cap reasons then they would be otherwise. Stone was in and out of the lineup all season...but doesn't go on LTIR until the game before Eichel comes back. Martinez has been practicing full tilt since Jan 20th...pretty sure they would at least give it a go if they could.

I'm not even blaming the team, they are taking advantage of a loophole. One that should be fixed.

The fact that guys participate in full practice for weeks or even months on end but only come back when it works cap wise is a smoking gun IMO.

It will be fun to read your excuses when it plays out exactly like I say though

"you can't prove anything! Stone's back recovery is just fortunate timing!"

Christ sakes Martinez was cut on the face in November...if the playoffs started tomorrow he would be playing

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You're not even listening so what's the point

nobody is faking an injury...

You've said Stone would be in and out of the lineup if not for the cap. That means he does not have an injury sufficient to make him eligible for LTIR. That's a plain fact; that's the way the rule is written. So yes, he is faking an injury according to you. He is faking that he is sufficiently injured that he cannot play at all.

It will be fun to read your excuses when it plays out exactly like I say though

I have no excuses to make. But I do know that you can't foretell the future, so stop pretending you know everything.

Christ sakes Martinez was cut on the face in November...if the playoffs started tomorrow he would be playing

Is that all Martinez has, a cut on the face? Then he was never eligible for LTIR either, according to you.

Your entire position depends on the assumption that Vegas can simply place any player they choose on LTIR at any time for any reason, and keep him there as long as they wish. Don't pretend otherwise.

[dino7c]

Teams only put players on LTIR when they have to for cap or roster reasons...this isn't new

Oilers put RNH on LTIR retroactively earlier in the season, he played a few days later. Postponed games they didn't even play counted towards his 10 missed games.


A player doesn't have to be deathly ill to go on LTIR...he needs to be too injured to play for 10+ games, its very subjective.