[News] Bob Murray joins Flames as a scout

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by redmile04

I would love 4 more cups lol

Untuck your sweats from your shoes and get right in the head.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Jaimie Pushor

He's their Assistant GM and Director of Player Personnel. He hasn't been just a scout since 2018.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by getbak

He's their Assistant GM and Director of Player Personnel. He hasn't been just a scout since 2018.

Yeah, they have 3 guys currently listed as mere pro scouts (not directors or heads), and none of them are on there.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Name on the cup still if we win it. How's that sound?

I work for an alcoholic. It comes with it's own set of issues. IMO there is probably more at play to his anger issues and how he treats people beneath him than merely alcoholism, but I recognize the difficulty of dealing with that disease and genuinely hope he is able to live a happier life.

But I am not sure he deserves this sort of privilege. Also, not a single person has really addressed the elephant in the room. I posted the draft and trades list from the last decade, his tenure in Anaheim. It hasn't been great at all. Doesn't seem especially talented as a pro scout to me.

Cronyism.

Edit:
https://hockeyanswered.com/how-do-yo...e-stanley-cup/

Here's an example of pro scouts getting engraved on the cup. Seems pretty normal. That definitely qualifies as fame and glory to me.

Then we have vastly different definitions of fame and glory. A small engraving of a name that no one recognizes on the Stanley Cup is hardly Fame and Glory. Sidney Crosby; fame and glory. Michael Jordan; fame and glory. Floyd Mayweather; fame and glory... Bob Murray; some guy no one will remember or give two ####s about when all is said and done.

[NegativeSpace]

Without knowing the person who he was and without attempting to excuse any past behaviour, I have always liked the approach that the Flames take towards substance abuse issues. They have a history of focusing on helping people move past the condition and return to productive lives. That is not something that occurs everywhere and such an organizational approach should be applauded. Further, the approach they took with Bill Peters suggests to me that this organization does take things like bullying and harassment seriously. In short, I think on these issues this organization - at least from my perspective - has earned some credence in their business.

If his behaviour was truly a substance abuse issue, then I applaud the Flames for giving someone an opportunity to earn back trust. Naturally, I suspect that his behaviour will be monitored and reviewed in light of the past dealings and any toe out of line will be met with repercussions.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by flamesaddiction

old. Boys. Whohavebeeninhockeyatahighlevelalltheirlives. Club.

fyp

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

God. That's not positive for the team. Guy sucks

At scouting?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Nah, this is a terrible take. That's not what I said. There are plenty of jobs that don't involve making 100s of thousands to millions annually to watch hockey and jock around with the old boys club. Acting the way Bob did should close some doors for him. Actions need to have consequences. I didn't say he needed to be destitute and broke because of this. He could bring his detailed experience in hockey organization to a different sport, to a different organization. Maybe he takes some time and builds up a community program.

I am saying that acting this way should lose you your pass to fame and glory.

Wow.

There is no fame and glory to being a scout - you travel all year and spend every evening at the rink.

And 100s of thousands to millions annually? Every scout on the planet is laughing right now.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Then we have vastly different definitions of fame and glory. A small engraving of a name that no one recognizes on the Stanley Cup is hardly Fame and Glory. Sidney Crosby; fame and glory. Michael Jordan; fame and glory. Floyd Mayweather; fame and glory... Bob Murray; some guy no one will remember or give two ####s about when all is said and done.

It's like having your name appear at the end of the film credits for an Oscar winning movie. That kind of fame.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Wow.

There is no fame and glory to being a scout - you travel all year and spend every evening at the rink.

And 100s of thousands to millions annually? Every scout on the planet is laughing right now.

Yeah, NHL scouts make five figures. From what I've heard, a large section of scouts are retired players or managers who do it mostly to have something to do, to get easy access to tickets in the good seats and because it's an excuse to hang with other hockey people.

[midniteowl]

I'm not a fan of cancel culture but this guy is lucky he's not serving time in prison.

I'm sorry, I didn't follow this Murray story. What exactly did he do that he's lucky not serving time in prison? Did he sexually abuse some one or did he physically abuse some one? Or did he kill some one? Or did he gamble on his team to lose?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Itse

Yeah, NHL scouts make five figures. From what I've heard, a large section of scouts are retired players or managers who do it mostly to have something to do, to get easy access to tickets in the good seats and because it's an excuse to hang with other hockey people.

Exactly.

People are reacting like he's getting his old job back or something.

The truth is, after rehab, he is getting a second chance. However, he was a VP before, and now he is getting a job as a regional sales rep. I mean sure, he's getting another chance, but it isn't anywhere near the same level.

Nor is there any fame involved.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Itse

I get why people aren't crazy about the hire, but personally I don't feel like I know enough to have an opinion about this.

Alcoholism can be a terrible personality altering disease, and getting effectively fired for being an a-hole to your employees can be a wakeup call. Who knows what he's like right now.

And yeah, a pro scout doesn't really have any authority over anyone, so the risk of abusive behavior seems pretty minimal.

Based on his record, he could also be quite good at this job.

Let's just be real about it and stop hiding behind a disorder. The guy is a real jerk through and through. No need for excuses as booze is just a contributing factor here.

Does he know hockey? Obviously, yes. Does this in anyway hurt the Flames? No.

[jlh2640]

I like this move

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Let's just be real about it and stop hiding behind a disorder. The guy is a real jerk through and through. No need for excuses as booze is just a contributing factor here.

Does he know hockey? Obviously, yes. Does this in anyway hurt the Flames? No.

Having never met the guy I refuse to take that as a fact, or even something I need to have an opinion on.

We're just talking about a pro scout here, it's hardly a supreme court nomination.

[Psytic]

I find it interesting we have so many Ex GMs around the team. I dont know if this is his doing or ownership but it has to feel a little awkward leading a team of guy's as storied as Daryl and Bob with their cups and his old boss Don. I guess its a good thing from a fan perspective it will keep him honest and hard working.

[Flamesfan05]

Can’t be worse than the guy that recommended James Neal

[sureLoss]

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/burnsid...oxic-behavior/

Calgary GM Brad Treliving is one of the game’s most up-front and open executives. He made it clear that there was a lot of discussion within the organization and beyond about bringing Murray aboard.

First, Treliving had long discussions with Murray about his personal health and his battle with alcohol.

Treliving said that Murray recognized the root of what happened in Anaheim was Murray’s drinking.

“And he came to the realization he couldn’t do that anymore,” Treliving said Wednesday.

Following those discussions, when it looked like there might be a way to help Murray back into the game, Treliving reached out to the NHL and got permission from the league to offer Murray a job.

On a purely practical side, Treliving has known Murray, 67, for years and trusts his judgment when it comes to evaluating players.

“In my opinion, one of his greatest strengths, I think he’s one of the best evaluators of talent in recent times quite frankly,” Treliving said. “He’s one of those guys, his joy, and his strength is in scouting and player identification and player evaluation.”

On the human side, Treliving saw someone who had been very good to him as a young NHL executive, who had made mistakes and had paid a significant price for those mistakes, and was now trying to address those problems in his personal life.

Was there a way for Treliving and the Flames to assist in rebuilding a career and a life?

“We all have challenges. We all make mistakes at some point,” Treliving said. “It’s easy to pick up a rock.”

It’s harder, sometimes, to extend a hand, the GM said. And that’s what Treliving said the Flames have done.

“This was a guy that I wanted to help,” Treliving said. “Bob’s a good person that made some mistakes.”

As much as Treliving believes that Murray and his experience can help the Flames, “I think we can help him as well.”

Cynics, of course, will suggest that this is another illustration of hockey’s old boys’ network at work and that there will always be a place at the table as long as you are part of that club – no matter what you’ve done.

But Treliving believes strongly in the league’s efforts to provide a safe and welcoming work place around the NHL including the hotline. And he doesn’t believe hiring Murray is in any way contradictory.

“I’m proud of the working environment we have here,” he said. “We know what is not going to be tolerated here and Bob is very comfortable with that.”

[CliffFletcher]

I’m not sure I understand the reflexive hostility to the “old boys network.” People who have a long and proven track record of being good at their jobs, and who have personal relationships with other people in their field, are going to be strong candidates to fill positions. In pro sports and every other business. I have a tough time imagining how hiring would work without experience and personal relationships being regarded as assets.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I’m not sure I understand the reflexive hostility to the “old boys network.” People who have a long and proven track record of being good at their jobs, and who have personal relationships with other people in their field, are going to be strong candidates to fill positions. In pro sports and every other business. I have a tough time imagining how hiring would work without experience and personal relationships being regarded as assets.

Of course Cliff Fletcher would say that.

I do agree 100% though, and notably lack of experience is one thing that led Doug Risebrough to be fleeced by one Cliff Fletcher on the Gilmour deal. And I always think about the rookie GM Craig Button who in the first month on the job bought out Martin St. Louis and traded J-S Giguere.