I agree it’s a tough job. Look at the Anthony Hefferman case though
I’ve done some reading on that event.
Police get a call from the hotel saying someone has overstayed their stay, and is not answering the hotel door. They ask for a wellness check. What do you do in that case if you’re the police? And then they crack the door and see him in what appears to be a medical distress type situation.
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My main issue with Walcott is that he's grandstanding, and not being careful with his wording. He piggy-backed on an article titled "Black man shot by police" and used the term anti-racist. Sure he may be referring to the bigger picture, but he doesn't know the whole picture. We don't know this man's history or what set him off, it's all speculation at this point. And the cops sure as hell didn't have any background information when they had to decide to use lethal force. Walcott is coming across as an attention whore more than a concerned councilor, if mental health is truly his concern then push for reform during council meetings where it might actually make a difference. Don't tag an inflammatory headlined article on Twitter just to grab some likes
I’d argue he was very careful with his wording, because he didn’t accuse anybody of anything. You’re being considerably less careful with your wording than he is, and you don’t know his motivations any more than he knows the whole picture, so at a certain point you have to ask yourself what you’re actually upset about. Because you obviously have no real problem with the way he’s carrying himself if you’re fine acting the same way without a second thought.
And if you want to say politicians, especially municipal ones, should be held to a higher standard than you or me and shouldn’t be able to speak their mind, or that a Black man shouldn’t be able to speak about an incident involving the death of another Black man by police that triggers him, then I disagree totally.
I’d argue he was very careful with his wording, because he didn’t accuse anybody of anything. You’re being considerably less careful with your wording than he is, and you don’t know his motivations any more than he knows the whole picture, so at a certain point you have to ask yourself what you’re actually upset about. Because you obviously have no real problem with the way he’s carrying himself if you’re fine acting the same way without a second thought.
And if you want to say politicians, especially municipal ones, should be held to a higher standard than you or me and shouldn’t be able to speak their mind, or that a Black man shouldn’t be able to speak about an incident involving the death of another Black man by police that triggers him, then I disagree totally.
What’s the real issue?
He "feels triggered by how familiar this seems", clearly implying that the police just shot another black man for no reason, even though there's a video very clearly showing that is not the case. So how is that careful wording? My opinion is formed from looking at what available evidence there is so far, his opinion is formed by his own personal bias disregarding any evidence to the contrary. That's the real issue
Yeah, sure, the mental health system is broken, I don’t think there can be any doubt about that.
For me it always gets back to personal responsibility. Decisions are made by all of us every single moment of every day we’re alive. The vast majority of those decisions are completely innocuous. Some decisions, however, are critical. If you charge police officers holding a deadly weapon, you’ve made a decision. Consequences sometimes follow decisions.
I appreciate your contribution/follow up discussion here...just wanted to unpack your emphasis on the word 'decision'...I think we can safely assume there wasn't any sort of rational decision making happening at this time for this man.
Getting help is hard, as is the 'help' being effective. Perhaps he did make some [semi]-rational decisions along the way to refuse help or to avoid seeking help, but IMO it's unlikely that he was making any cognitive decisions in the moments leading up to this event.
He "feels triggered by how familiar this seems", clearly implying that the police just shot another black man for no reason, even though there's a video very clearly showing that is not the case. So how is that careful wording? My opinion is formed from looking at what available evidence there is so far, his opinion is formed by his own personal bias disregarding any evidence to the contrary. That's the real issue
Your opinion of his intentions and motivations is based off one tweet, how could you possibly know? Would it be fair to ask what personal bias you’re bringing to your interpretation of Walcott’s words? Because as soon as you assume someone’s intentions or base your argument on what you think they’re inferring, that’s obviously at play.
“Feels triggered by how familiar this seems.” I’m going to go out in a limb and assume you know what the bolded words mean. What they don’t mean is “this IS the exact same situation.” You won’t disagree and suggest police shooting and killing a Black man feels awfully familiar lately, right? We can both admit that. Not all of those killings were for “no reason.” In fact, few if any were. Some were for no good reason, some were for good reason stemming from a needless situation, some were justified.
Walcott seems like a pretty good guy. I bet you could ask him what he meant instead of getting mad about it.
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I think what sometimes happens is that people of all stripes get caught between a rock and a hard place. It's a common theme in today's society for everything to be race related and than other's think race doesn't play any role in anything. Something in the middle probably is more accurate.
The issue with people with mental health and addiction issues is that really do need help. A lot of the times they aren't in a position to be making decisions for their own best interest and sometimes I think society needs to do that for them for the better of everybody.
On the flip side of though, how much do innocent people who become victimized by these people put up with? At which stage does a politician go from worrying about victims and the general public to the others who are also suffering issues as well?
In the news story it says that someone was assaulted with a weapon, that needs to be addressed. A huge portion of crimes both violent and non violent are caused by people who have mental health and addiction issues, this doesn't even address some of the scarier incidents that aren't really crime related. People need help and people also need to be held to account for their actions too.
It's more likely they were searching for a suspect in the area. Every night there are multiple reports of car prowlers or people casing homes in neighborhoods all over Calgary. The helicopter is the best tool for locating them, and they rarely use the search light in that circumstance.
More likely some teenagers were drinking beer in a school field.
At least, that used to be the threshold for sending the helicopter after us...
The issue with people with mental health and addiction issues is that really do need help. A lot of the times they aren't in a position to be making decisions for their own best interest and sometimes I think society needs to do that for them for the better of everybody.
Yup. I'm not sure we've landed at the right place for our current definitions and procedures related to mental capacity. Of course in the past 'insane-asylums' and mental health treatments were pretty awful (not sure they are that much better today), but it seems like in the earlier half of the 20th century that homeless/hobo types may have been able to live a more dignified existence with fewer societal impacts (but I really don't know...maybe the prevalence of slums/ghettos tints that view).
This comes into play with addictions, too. No good solutions; any improvements will be very $$$, but the status quo ain't great.
Yup. I'm not sure we've landed at the right place for our current definitions and procedures related to mental capacity. Of course in the past 'insane-asylums' and mental health treatments were pretty awful (not sure they are that much better today), but it seems like in the earlier half of the 20th century that homeless/hobo types may have been able to live a more dignified existence with fewer societal impacts (but I really don't know...maybe the prevalence of slums/ghettos tints that view).
This comes into play with addictions, too. No good solutions; any improvements will be very $$$, but the status quo ain't great.
There were hundreds of thousands more mentally ill people institutionalized in the North America a couple generations ago than there are today. In the U.S. in the late 50s, there were 339 state psychiatric hospital beds per 100,000 people*. By 2000 there were 22 per 100,000 people.
Those institutions could be pretty awful, and community based treatment is more humane in most respects. But lots and lots of people fall through cracks who previously would have been under close supervision.
The crux of the problem is how do you deliver care to people who are socially isolated, and in many cases spurn treatment because they want to be left alone?
* To put that in context, if we had that ratio in Calgary today, there would five psychiatric hospitals in the city with 1,000 residents each (about the size of Foothills hospital).
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I'm finding it interesting/sad in that this incident has some of the best, clearest witness shot video's I've ever seen of a police incident...and STILL folks refuse to acknowledge/accept what happened, claiming all manner of things that very obviously didn't.
There is clear video of him with both weapons (knife and stick) and clear video of the incident. And yet folks are all "Nope! This is what happened!"
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I'm finding it interesting/sad in that this incident has some of the best, clearest witness shot video's I've ever seen of a police incident...and STILL folks refuse to acknowledge/accept what happened, claiming all manner of things that very obviously didn't.
There is clear video of him with both weapons (knife and stick) and clear video of the incident. And yet folks are all "Nope! This is what happened!"
The comments are all over, but mostly in the places one would expect them to be. The relevant posts on CPS FB page and Twitter account are the biggest ones.
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This article mentions people who have issues with how police handled the incident. I can’t say I agree with all of their concerns but I do have questions about how it started and what efforts were made to de-escalate the situation.
This article mentions people who have issues with how police handled the incident. I can’t say I agree with all of their concerns but I do have questions about how it started and what efforts were made to de-escalate the situation.
How dehumanizing that be? (It tells you) they value the life of the police dog more than the Black man,” said Charles Odame-Ankrah, a friend of Tuel’s and one of several speakers at a Monday media availability put on by the Calgary African Community Collective.
That right there is discriminatory. A police dog is family.
Simply waiting for the bus and attacked by a police dog? Come on. Police dogs are trained to not attack anyone.
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I'm finding it interesting/sad in that this incident has some of the best, clearest witness shot video's I've ever seen of a police incident...and STILL folks refuse to acknowledge/accept what happened, claiming all manner of things that very obviously didn't.
There is clear video of him with both weapons (knife and stick) and clear video of the incident. And yet folks are all "Nope! This is what happened!"
I haven't watched the video(s) but this is the first I've heard of a knife?
The couple of articles I've read certainly don't mention it; they only talk about a metal pole (with some suggesting it was actually a "foldout" walking cane)...
I haven't watched the video(s) but this is the first I've heard of a knife?
The couple of articles I've read certainly don't mention it; they only talk about a metal pole (with some suggesting it was actually a "foldout" walking cane)...
Ok...since the video below doesn't show him being shot and has been in the public for a while, I feel ok posting it.
At the 3 second mark, you can see he's got a kitchen knife of some kind in his left hand, and a wooden walking stick with a metal end-cap on it in his right. Also, you can hear the first ARWEN shot (but not see it) and the second, which you can both hear and see the round from (the 17 second mark). Then, at the 6-8 second mark, he switches them, so he's got the stick in his left, and the knife in his right. When the second ARWEN shot hits him, he swaps them AGAIN (16-18 second mark) to end up with the knife in the left and the stick in the right then charges.
I haven't watched the video(s) but this is the first I've heard of a knife?
The couple of articles I've read certainly don't mention it; they only talk about a metal pole (with some suggesting it was actually a "foldout" walking cane)...
Yes, if you watch the video you can clearly the knife in one hand and the stick in the other.
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Ok...since the video below doesn't show him being shot and has been in the public for a while, I feel ok posting it.
At the 3 second mark, you can see he's got a kitchen knife of some kind in his left hand, and a wooden walking stick with a metal end-cap on it in his right. Also, you can hear the first ARWEN shot (but not see it) and the second, which you can both hear and see the round from (the 17 second mark). Then, at the 6-8 second mark, he switches them, so he's got the stick in his left, and the knife in his right. When the second ARWEN shot hits him, he swaps them AGAIN (16-18 second mark) to end up with the knife in the left and the stick in the right then charges.
Also, I don't know how this looks on a phone. I am looking at it blown up on my 27" monitor, so it's all pretty easy for me to see.
Two good hits with the Arwen and his bulky clothes likely prevented the taser from working properly. CPS did all they could.
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Well, this is simply wrong. Most police dogs are solely trained to attack. They are a lot like giving a toddler a loaded shot gun. You ever watch video of k9 cops trying to stop a dog mid attack? They live to attack.
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