2022 Freedumb Convoy(s) Thread

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I wonder how many of those truckers got an earful from their angry spouses telling them to cut the crap and get the hell back home.

I like to think it was probably the smell of 1,000+ unwashed truckers that finally broke themselves.

Originally Posted by Smartcar

I think it was the frozen bank accounts and cancelled insurance that had results, and that wouldn’t have been possible without invoking the EMA.

Well ya, of course invoking that act is going to work. If you can literally arrest everyone in a protest area and freeze assets, etc, how could it not be successful?

But that's why NDP leader Tommy Douglas' old quip that the War Measures Act (aka EMA) “is using a sledgehammer to crack a peanut" is so apt. Its a bad precedent and many on both sides are arguing an overreach. No one is debating it was effective.

[starseed]

The EMA is not the war measures act. If the WMA was a sledgehammer, the EMA is that scalpel. The powers are limited, time bound, subject to parliamentary approval, and subject to the Charter of Rights and freedoms.

[Roof-Daddy]

Is it ironic that the government wasn't "overreaching" until a mob of idiots occupied a city and blocked crucial border crossing because they felt like the government was already "overreaching"?

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Ya its a great question, but trying to demonize and antagonize the convoy was not the right answer. Just like people here are doing, trying to call the other side karens, nazis, racists, terrorists, etc, isn't going to change their mind, only embolden them and galvanize divide. I don't know what the perfect play would have been for him.....but it wasn't this. (benefit of hindsight obviously)




If only Trudeau had the ability to influence the Legislative branch of the federal government to adjust laws.....

But in all honesty, I would also contend the monetary intervention by the feds is a gross overreach in this case. You might agree with the policy now because you disagree with the protestors in this case, but it sets a dangerous precedent and suspect we'll see some blowback from this.

Given that the protestors were led by people who wanted to bypass parliament and strike their manifesto with the GG and senate; had high profile members who are known white supremacists; have a large number among them carrying F Trudeau and Trudope signs; count among their fringe protesters who were armed, waved nazi and confederate flags, and/or are on a mission from God….what are the odds that he could have done anything to lower the temperature? No doubt he inflamed it but these folks were already inflamed. Remember the same signs and rocks being thrown during the election? So yeah he didn’t respond well but if you’re suggesting that triggered the whole chain of events is disingenuous.

I agree with you about the financial stuff - if the EMA gave police the ability or even just the push to physically remove the blockades that should have been enough

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Ducay

If only Trudeau had the ability to influence the Legislative branch of the federal government to adjust laws.....

That's generally a slow process, but fortunately our previous legislators put the EMA is in place for situations where the government needs to act faster than the legislature can. If you agree that the law needs to change, then it follows that invoking the EMA was appropriate. The arguments against rest on the assertion that existing laws were adequate.

Originally Posted by Ducay

I think open, honest debate is the only way to come together anymore, since ultimately, left or right, we all probably agree on 99% of life and policies, and understanding both sides is the only way we move together without turning this place (and society writ large) into a tribal bloodbath like the US.

If you want to prevent a tribal bloodbath, resist extremism. Don't support extremists just because they're on your side.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I wonder how many of those truckers got an earful from their angry spouses telling them to cut the crap and get the hell back home.

Probably the trucks that hauled out of there the night before.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by SebC

That's generally a slow process, but fortunately our previous legislators put the EMA is in place for situations where the government needs to act faster than the legislature can. If you agree that the law needs to change, then it follows that invoking the EMA was appropriate. The arguments against rest on the assertion that existing laws were adequate.

If you want to prevent a tribal bloodbath, resist extremism. Don't support extremists just because they're on your side.

Personally I would worry more about hasty laws with unexpected consequences

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Wormius

What did you want the PM to do? He should have acted swifter is my only complaint, but if he snuffed it out immediately he looks bad too.

No matter what he did he's a villain.

Three weeks is a long time to hold off before taking meaningful measures. They're lucky they were even allowed to occupy and disrupt that area for that long. In another city they may have cracked down sooner. No matter the timing, they'll say he cranked it up to 11 impulsively. Why take half measures when you can do the one thing that will get the job done. These people weren't listening to anything less.

I'm happy for the people in the Ottawa core tonight.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I love how the pro terrorist crowd in this thread keep trying to characterize this as a broad left vs right issue. Lol. In your dreams guys.

90% of Canadians oppose the flutruxklan. You guys are so far right you’re making Mussolini blush. Everyone is the left to you guys because you’re the right wing fringe. Actual progressive conservatives are lumped in with the radical left to you because you’re so far down the spectrum, you can no longer tell where the middle is.

And don’t even get me started on the asinine comparisons to the George Floyd protests and how each side has now flipped the script. What a bunch of horse####. It shows how delusional you people are.

[tjinaz]

You guys are hilarious... When BLM was rioting and burning buildings it was "mostly peaceful" but when truckers simply park and block they are insurrectionists and domestic terrorists. You do realize it is those same trucks and truckers that you need to deliver your goods back and forth right? So you really think it is prudent to try to financially ruin the people you depend on to deliver goods to your stores?

I find this all quite amusing. This is one of the best online Echo Chambers I have ever seen.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Didn't think Trudeau could bungle this worse than he had a week ago, but welp, he's done it.

What a disaster

Cracks down on a convoy protest with seditious objectives that's actively putting young children with no stake in the matter at risk. Manages to clear out Ottawa's core which has been essentially shut down and held hostage, with zero casualties.

Welp! Disaster.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

You guys are hilarious... When BLM was rioting and burning buildings it was "mostly peaceful" but when truckers simply park and block they are insurrectionists and domestic terrorists. You do realize it is those same trucks and truckers that you need to deliver your goods back and forth right? So you really think it is prudent to try to financially ruin the people you depend on to deliver goods to your stores?

I find this all quite amusing. This is one of the best online Echo Chambers I have ever seen.

90% of the actual trucker force are fully vaxxed, back in their home provinces, doing their jobs.

Essential service workers we actually depend on don't abandon their posts for three weeks to pursue a fruitless cause.

Good riddance to the ones that did take off. They'll be replaced in due time.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I love how the pro terrorist crowd in this thread keep trying to characterize this as a broad left vs right issue. Lol. In your dreams guys.

90% of Canadians oppose the flutruxklan. You guys are so far right you’re making Mussolini blush. Everyone is the left to you guys because you’re the right wing fringe. Actual progressive conservatives are lumped in with the radical left to you because you’re so far down the spectrum, you can no longer tell where the middle is.

And don’t even get me started on the asinine comparisons to the George Floyd protests and how each side has now flipped the script. What a bunch of horse####. It shows how delusional you people are.

Someone on CBC they were interviewing described it accurately by calling COVID-19 mandates a Trojan Horse to pursue a general far-right agenda. Sounds pretty accurate.

As much as I don't blame Trudeau for using the Emergencies Act, it also totally played into their plans. I'm not saying it was the wrong decision given other options, but it is going to do some damage as well. As a side not, I was pretty much done with Trudeau before this whole thing started, but now I actually have some sympathy for him because of this. This issue is going to escalate the polarization big time.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

You guys are hilarious... When BLM was rioting and burning buildings it was "mostly peaceful" but when truckers simply park and block they are insurrectionists and domestic terrorists. You do realize it is those same trucks and truckers that you need to deliver your goods back and forth right? So you really think it is prudent to try to financially ruin the people you depend on to deliver goods to your stores?

I find this all quite amusing. This is one of the best online Echo Chambers I have ever seen.

Which rioting and building were burned in Canada? Honest question

"simply park and block" gives you away

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I wonder how many of those truckers got an earful from their angry spouses telling them to cut the crap and get the hell back home.

I don't know if many of their spouses actually have much say.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

You guys are hilarious... When BLM was rioting and burning buildings it was "mostly peaceful" but when truckers simply park and block they are insurrectionists and domestic terrorists. You do realize it is those same trucks and truckers that you need to deliver your goods back and forth right? So you really think it is prudent to try to financially ruin the people you depend on to deliver goods to your stores?

I find this all quite amusing. This is one of the best online Echo Chambers I have ever seen.

The truckers who aren’t morons are vaccinated and have been delivering goods for the past 3 weeks instead of hurting the economy, terrorizing residents and threatening murder towards politicians.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I love how the pro terrorist crowd in this thread keep trying to characterize this as a broad left vs right issue. Lol. In your dreams guys.

90% of Canadians oppose the flutruxklan. You guys are so far right you’re making Mussolini blush. Everyone is the left to you guys because you’re the right wing fringe. Actual progressive conservatives are lumped in with the radical left to you because you’re so far down the spectrum, you can no longer tell where the middle is.

And don’t even get me started on the asinine comparisons to the George Floyd protests and how each side has now flipped the script. What a bunch of horse####. It shows how delusional you people are.

You enjoy pitting people against each other. Don’t you.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Someone on CBC they were interviewing described it accurately by calling COVID-19 mandates a Trojan Horse to pursue a general far-right agenda. Sounds pretty accurate.

As much as I don't blame Trudeau for using the Emergencies Act, it also totally played into their plans. I'm not saying it was the wrong decision given other options, but it is going to do some damage as well. As a side not, I was pretty much done with Trudeau before this whole thing started, but now I actually have some sympathy for him because of this. This issue is going to escalate the polarization big time.

What exactly is a far right agenda. If I had a dollar for everytime I’ve heard that I’d probably have my account frozen.

Seriously though. What is it?

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Which rioting and building were burned in Canada? Honest question

"simply park and block" gives you away

Not sure how many. But a ton of churches got torched.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Overthrow legally elected governments.