2022 Freedumb Convoy(s) Thread

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Didn't think Trudeau could bungle this worse than he had a week ago, but welp, he's done it.

What a disaster

What? He and the city of Ottawa bungled it for sure with inaction and allowing our country to look like a bunch of dumbasses can cripple a city and border entries on a whim. But you're using now as the example?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Didn't think Trudeau could bungle this worse than he had a week ago, but welp, he's done it.

What a disaster

Boy are you going to suffer through the next 2 elections... lol

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Izzle

Lolwut? Ottawa police with help from RCMP have managed to clear out downtown Ottawa. The camp at the baseball parking lot also is clearing up. Hopefully peace returns to residents of Ottawa. All this made possible by PM Trudeau's emergency measures act invocation. All this makes sense and with minimal violence.

Wait... Unless you are actually a terrorists sympathizer?

Hahaha, oh man, hilariously predictable. You can criticize Trudeau's brutal handling of this without being a "terrorist sympathizer", "nazi", or "racist". Using terms like that to try and stifle debate is half the problem with people online these days.

Trudeau mishandled this thing from start to finish. Sure, Ottawa police are doing the bulk of the heavy lifting, but doesn't change the fact that Trudeau made matters so much worse. That can be true without having to also agree with the protestors tactics. Its not a black/white situation, everyone sucks to varying degrees. ####ty that the city of Ottawa had to suffer as a result

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Didn't think Trudeau could bungle this worse than he had a week ago, but welp, he's done it.

What a disaster

Solid troll post.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Hahaha, oh man, hilariously predictable. You can criticize Trudeau's brutal handling of this without being a "terrorist sympathizer", "nazi", or "racist". Using terms like that to try and stifle debate is half the problem with people online these days.

Trudeau mishandled this thing from start to finish. Sure, Ottawa police are doing the bulk of the heavy lifting, but doesn't change the fact that Trudeau made matters so much worse. That can be true without having to also agree with the protestors tactics. Its not a black/white situation, everyone sucks to varying degrees. ####ty that the city of Ottawa had to suffer as a result

What did he do to make things worse? And what’s worse?

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Hahaha, oh man, hilariously predictable. You can criticize Trudeau's brutal handling of this without being a "terrorist sympathizer", "nazi", or "racist". Using terms like that to try and stifle debate is half the problem with people online these days.

Trudeau mishandled this thing from start to finish. Sure, Ottawa police are doing the bulk of the heavy lifting, but doesn't change the fact that Trudeau made matters so much worse. That can be true without having to also agree with the protestors tactics. Its not a black/white situation, everyone sucks to varying degrees. ####ty that the city of Ottawa had to suffer as a result

How did PM Trudeau make matters much worse now?


Let me get some popcorn...

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Solid troll post.

You're right. We should all point at him and laugh.

[starseed]

Since Trudeau stepped in for the provinces/municipalities, the borders have reopened and Ottawa is being liberated. I guess that would be disastrous if you supported the aims of the occupation.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by starseed

Since Trudeau stepped in for the provinces/municipalities, the borders have reopened and Ottawa is being liberated. I guess that would be disastrous if you supported the aims of the occupation.

Well the same could be said if he deployed the armed forces to clear out the protestors. Don't judge his efficacy by the end result, him having to invoke the Emergencies Act and go to the steps he had to (and Ottawa police), is indicative of his mishandling. He had ample opportunities to deal with this in a much more constructive manner. Instead, he double/tripled down on aggressive rhetoric against the protestors, and enflamed the situation to the place we've landed today. It getting to the point it got to with the interventions needed is proof of his mishandling.

He's emboldened both sides, increased a huge divide in the country, and made us look shameful in the global community. Look at any news article about the situation - no one thinks things are going well here in the government.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by indes

I can't believe how much second hand embarrassment I have from these idiots. What a house of cards of stupidity.

I couldn't begin to imagine wasting weeks of my life to;

-Protest at the wrong level of government

-Complain about lack of freedom from a hot tub with a DJ and bouncy castle

-Walk next to swastika flags and then around and condemn the government for turning Canada into Nazi Germany.

-Compare idiots walking into a police line to Tiananmin Square.

-Hang out with people who think this occupation zone is a good place to bring their kids.

-Talk about performing a coup, from a place of less than 0 power.


These people are so ####ing stupid it actually offends me and I hope all of them end up getting charged for the criminal occupation of Ottawa.

Perfectly summed up. I would also add:

- complaining about restrictions, and then imposing restrictions of their own.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Well the same could be said if he deployed the armed forces to clear out the protestors. Don't judge his efficacy by the end result, him having to invoke the Emergencies Act and go to the steps he had to (and Ottawa police), is indicative of his mishandling. He had ample opportunities to deal with this in a much more constructive manner. Instead, he double/tripled down on aggressive rhetoric against the protestors, and enflamed the situation to the place we've landed today. It getting to the point it got to with the interventions needed is proof of his mishandling.

He's emboldened both sides, increased a huge divide in the country, and made us look shameful in the global community. Look at any news article about the situation - no one thinks things are going well here in the government.

I think the Ottawa police put on a masterclass the past two days. I don't care if people think the police in Paris did a better job of handling their truck convoy, the Ottawa police had a much more controlled, measured, and peaceful response while getting the job done.

Trudeau had to invoke the EMA because our laws have not caught up with the nature of modern domestic threats. The powers to defend against foreign interference and monetary support need to be made permanent for example.

[Wormius]

What did you want the PM to do? He should have acted swifter is my only complaint, but if he snuffed it out immediately he looks bad too.

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Well the same could be said if he deployed the armed forces to clear out the protestors. Don't judge his efficacy by the end result, him having to invoke the Emergencies Act and go to the steps he had to (and Ottawa police), is indicative of his mishandling. He had ample opportunities to deal with this in a much more constructive manner. Instead, he double/tripled down on aggressive rhetoric against the protestors, and enflamed the situation to the place we've landed today. It getting to the point it got to with the interventions needed is proof of his mishandling.

He's emboldened both sides, increased a huge divide in the country, and made us look shameful in the global community. Look at any news article about the situation - no one thinks things are going well here in the government.

I'm sorry? HE made us look shameful on the world stage?

You can't be ####ing serious.

Edit - and oh ya, "constructive" conversation with people that want to undermine democracy. Ya sure.

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[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Wormius

What did you want the PM to do? He should have acted swifter is my only complaint, but if he snuffed it out immediately he looks bad too.

Ya its a great question, but trying to demonize and antagonize the convoy was not the right answer. Just like people here are doing, trying to call the other side karens, nazis, racists, terrorists, etc, isn't going to change their mind, only embolden them and galvanize divide. I don't know what the perfect play would have been for him.....but it wasn't this. (benefit of hindsight obviously)

Originally Posted by starseed

Trudeau had to invoke the EMA because our laws have not caught up with the nature of modern domestic threats. The powers to defend against foreign interference and monetary support need to be made permanent for example.

If only Trudeau had the ability to influence the Legislative branch of the federal government to adjust laws.....

But in all honesty, I would also contend the monetary intervention by the feds is a gross overreach in this case. You might agree with the policy now because you disagree with the protestors in this case, but it sets a dangerous precedent and suspect we'll see some blowback from this.

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Ya its a great question, but trying to demonize and antagonize the convoy was not the right answer. Just like people here are doing, trying to call the other side karens, nazis, racists, terrorists, etc, isn't going to change their mind, only embolden them and galvanize divide. I don't know what the perfect play would have been for him.....but it wasn't this. (benefit of hindsight obviously)




If only Trudeau had the ability to influence the Legislative branch of the federal government to adjust laws.....

But in all honesty, I would also contend the monetary intervention by the feds is a gross overreach in this case. You might agree with the policy now because you disagree with the protestors in this case, but it sets a dangerous precedent and suspect we'll see some blowback from this.

It's simple... Don't want to be called a domestic terrorist, then don't engage in activities that are domestic terrorism.

Wanna protest, go ahead and protest, but don't intimidate citizens and disturb the peace.

With regards to monetary overreach... What's the line again? Ah yes, if you don't do anything illegal then you don't have to worry.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Ya its a great question, but trying to demonize and antagonize the convoy was not the right answer. Just like people here are doing, trying to call the other side karens, nazis, racists, terrorists, etc, isn't going to change their mind, only embolden them and galvanize divide. I don't know what the perfect play would have been for him.....but it wasn't this. (benefit of hindsight obviously)

But not everyone is doing that so aren’t you just perpetuating the same behaviours you’re opposed to?

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

But not everyone is doing that so aren’t you just perpetuating the same behaviours you’re opposed to?

Not sure I follow, but at the end of the day I'm just trying to have some honest debate without name calling etc, so wouldn't be intentional. I try to bring the alternative perspective to break the echo chamber, and meanwhile we got X number of people (see Izzle, etc) calling anyone who disagrees terrorists, trolls, etc. I think open, honest debate is the only way to come together anymore, since ultimately, left or right, we all probably agree on 99% of life and policies, and understanding both sides is the only way we move together without turning this place (and society writ large) into a tribal bloodbath like the US.

People online in general need to understand how to have a disagreement and debate. I'm just here for a discussion and do enjoy being proven wrong, name calling doesn't win debate, just proves how childish and immature some are. We can disagree without calling names, etc.

[Smartcar]

I think it was the frozen bank accounts and cancelled insurance that had results, and that wouldn’t have been possible without invoking the EMA.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Not sure I follow, but at the end of the day I'm just trying to have some honest debate without name calling etc, so wouldn't be intentional. I try to bring the alternative perspective to break the echo chamber, and meanwhile we got X number of people (see Izzle, etc) calling anyone who disagrees terrorists, trolls, etc. I think open, honest debate is the only way to come together anymore, since ultimately, left or right, we all probably agree on 99% of life and policies, and understanding both sides is the only way we move together without turning this place (and society writ large) into a tribal bloodbath like the US.

People online in general need to understand how to have a disagreement and debate. I'm just here for a discussion and do enjoy being proven wrong, name calling doesn't win debate, just proves how childish and immature some are. We can disagree without calling names, etc.

Could have done without the bolded make believe.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Smartcar

I think it was the frozen bank accounts and cancelled insurance that had results, and that wouldn’t have been possible without invoking the EMA.

I wonder how many of those truckers got an earful from their angry spouses telling them to cut the crap and get the hell back home.