02-14-2022, 01:39 PM
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#521
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Had an idea!
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Deepest Flames team in basically forever?
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02-14-2022, 01:40 PM
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#522
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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We also get to thank Jim Benning again, for another asset lost by Vancouver and winding up here.
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02-14-2022, 01:40 PM
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#523
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by midniteowl
Christ! Are all Oilers fans this stupid?
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02-14-2022, 01:40 PM
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#524
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by btimbit
They cheer for the Oilers. Of course they're stupid
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Speaking about the Oilers... I just watched the press conference, and when Lucic and Monahan were up - just imagine if they (Oilers) named Lucic the captain instead of McDavid, Lucic just seems like a captain to me... and McDavid is more like Sean (no cut on Sean) - he just not Captain material.
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02-14-2022, 01:41 PM
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#525
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Franchise Player
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The Flames are 10th in GF/G and are, presumably, swapping Ritchie out for Toffoli. Think about that!
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02-14-2022, 01:41 PM
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#526
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chi-Town Hustler
Coiler Reddit:. Flames just gave up a 1st, 5th, and good prospect for a top 6 forward. Oilers signed a top 6 forward for free. Somehow, that's a loss for Holland?
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Again, are all Oilers fans this stupid?
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02-14-2022, 01:41 PM
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#527
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbsy
I love this deal. My only beef is that the first rounder is 2024 not 2023. If gaudreau doesn't re-sign that could be a decent pick.
What does lottery protected mean here exactly? What's deemed a lottery pick? (Top3,5,10,16)??
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Top 10.
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02-14-2022, 01:42 PM
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#528
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc
He scored 28 goals last year. He scored 31 a few seasons before that.
Richardson's highest was 19 and Lewis' was 14.
Toffoli won't be expected to carry the load here. He'll be great on the second line.
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Exactly, 28 goals in 56 games which is an over 40 goal season in a regular year
LAST SEASON, not 10 years ago
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02-14-2022, 01:44 PM
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#529
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by djsFlames
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This goes for other things (that are dominating) in our society as well... ignore the obvious and do everything that is counterproductive for over two years.
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02-14-2022, 01:44 PM
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#530
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Originally Posted by Azure
Deepest Flames team in basically forever?
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I still really like that '09 Flames team when they acquired Jokinen, before all the injuries on the back end.
But this team is probably deeper, and better. Because Darryl is the coach and not the GM.
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02-14-2022, 01:45 PM
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#531
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Actual Oiler fan quote: “we got our Toffoli in Kane for free”.
Toffoli is Kane if Kane was committed to a 200 foot game, was liked in the room, had a great off ice rep, and knew half the team already.
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02-14-2022, 01:47 PM
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#532
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I haven't been this happy with a trade since the original Dougie Hamilton trade (I hated the trade that sent Dougie to Carolina at the time, but it's obviously worked out really well). Toffoli was the perfect target for this team. Can't wait to see him play.
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Before you call me a pessimist or a downer, the Flames made me this way. Blame them.
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02-14-2022, 01:48 PM
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#533
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
We also get to thank Jim Benning again, for another asset lost by Vancouver and winding up here.
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Former Nucks... Toffoli, Markstrom, Tanev, Gudbranson
Drafted with pick acquired from Nucks... Andersson
Drafted after being passed-over by the Nucks... Tkachuk
Oh, Dim Jim, we'll miss you.
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02-14-2022, 01:48 PM
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#534
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Actual Oiler fan quote: “we got our Toffoli in Kane for free”.
Toffoli is Kane if Kane was committed to a 200 foot game, was liked in the room, had a great off ice rep, and knew half the team already.
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not to mention they signed Kane for 40 games not 2.5 years
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02-14-2022, 01:48 PM
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#535
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Lifetime Suspension
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Kane might score as many goals, but Toffoli playing the game the right way and not being an utter trainwreck off the ice automatically puts him far ahead.
Again, are you going for stats or trying to win?
The two don't always go hand in hand.
Oiler people still seem unable to grasp this, unbelievably.
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02-14-2022, 01:48 PM
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#536
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
Exactly, 28 goals in 56 games which is an over 40 goal season in a regular year
LAST SEASON, not 10 years ago
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Toffoli also only plays 17:30 a game. He's producing on a bad team but it's not like his numbers are inflated because he is getting 20+ mins a night.
Play him on the 3rd line with Dube and Monahan and IMO 1st PP for Monahan and he will excel and there is no concerns of a drop due to reduced role on a good team.
Also, Toffoli advanced stats say he was kind of being dragged down by Suzuki this year. Surprising considering Suzuki looks very good but Toffoli xGF% in 160+ mins away from Suzuki was 54%. Overall he is 49% but one of the best on Montreal
Last edited by Macho0978; 02-14-2022 at 01:53 PM.
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02-14-2022, 01:49 PM
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#537
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Actual Oiler fan quote: “we got our Toffoli in Kane for free”.
Toffoli is Kane if Kane was committed to a 200 foot game, was liked in the room, had a great off ice rep, and knew half the team already.
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and had 2 more years of friendly control (in a player you want to have friendly control over)
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02-14-2022, 01:51 PM
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#538
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chi-Town Hustler
Coiler Reddit:. Flames just gave up a 1st, 5th, and good prospect for a top 6 forward. Oilers signed a top 6 forward for free. Somehow, that's a loss for Holland?
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I didn't mind the gamble for Edmonton if you can swallow your honor and/or standards (if it applies)... I didn't mind it for the Oiler's because to me, it seems like their dressing room is already poisoned, but to me, it seems like we have a group of guys working well together, you don't want to introduce Kane into that IMO.... Tyler will fit in to me, Lucic was with him this past all-star weekend, Sean was his roommate in junior, our coach likes him and our players who played in LA and Vancouver like (love) him too... seems like a great fit so far in the room.
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02-14-2022, 01:52 PM
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#539
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GOAT!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbsy
I love this deal. My only beef is that the first rounder is 2024 not 2023.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
So details as reported so far:
To Calgary:
Tyler Toffoli (no salary retained)
To Montreal:
2022 1st*
2023 5th
Tyler Pitlick
Emil Henieman
*if 2022 1st is a top 10 pick Montreal receives 2023 1st + 2024 4th instead
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I'm confused...
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02-14-2022, 01:53 PM
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#540
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by midniteowl
Again, are all Oilers fans this stupid?
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Some on HF appear to have a sense of humour and face reality....or their soul has been removed....
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So Calgary is close to getting Toffoli and Chiarot while all Holland does is sit around dreaming about Toilet seats going up and down
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Gotta wonder who else the Oilers can gamble on with guys with gambling issues.
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