2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[AT77]

Originally Posted by Knut

That might be the worst trade proposal i have every seen.. Give up a ton of assets and make the team actually worse.

Makes us worse how? Laine, Domi, Roslovic > Monahan, Dube, Zadorov

Put Laine in that top 6 and he's a consistent 40-50 goal scorer. Our PP would be deadly.

The 1st and 2nd round picks next 2 years don't matter because we'll be CONTENDERS. They'll be late round picks anyways, and 2 years will go by just like that and we'll be able to replenish those prospects in no time.

People are so hung up on giving away picks the next 2-3 years, not realizing that if we're contenders for the next 5+ years, those 2-3 years of lack of picks makes a negligible amount of difference. Don't believe me? Ask Tampa or any other contender that trades picks to be consistent contenders.

Pick a side, a perennial contender or a middle of the pack mediocre team which the Flames have consistently been and keep your picks which most of the time don't change the course of your team unless if they're a sure fire top 3 pick.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Well Chucky has to sign for at least one season unless he doesn't want to play.
But assuming we can't sign Johnny, and Chucky only signs a one year deal, then we sell off Chucky, Lindholm, etc...next season and hope for Beddard.

I would rather be proactive than reactive. The Flames have never really done that well being reactive with "hope", maybe we should switch it up and include proactive in the same sentence as "future plans".

[Knut]

Laine, Domi and Roslovic are all terrible defensively. You actually come out behind for the playoffs and you gave up like 5 assets in the deal.

Not to mention Domi is a UFA.

[powderjunkie]

Oof - didn't realize Roslovic was having such a bad year - averaging just 12 mins a night. RHS and all 20 of his pts are EV...so his EV pace is barely off last year when he played more TOI most with Atkinson/Laine compared to Domi/Voracek this year. He'd still be the 5th most productive forward here...

Was always buried in WPG, but just 5 assists in 20 career playoff games.

[AT77]

Originally Posted by Knut

Laine, Domi and Roslovic are all terrible defensively. You actually come out behind for the playoffs and you gave up like 5 assets in the deal.

Not to mention Domi is a UFA.

Lol like Monahan and Dube are defensive stalwarts? Laine actually isn't as bad defensively as you think. Prior to being traded from Winnipeg after just 1 game into the season, the year prior he worked on his defensive game and definitely appeared better in his own end, albeit that came with a lower goal and point total, but that's to be expected. The reason Winnipeg traded him was not due to his defensive capabilities, but rather a rift between Laine and management had already been created. He wanted to be their top line RW and play with Scheifle, but Maurice wanted Wheeler (as their captain) to be their top line RW with Scheifele.

Domi is a UFA yes, but he can be extended. Roslovic on the other hand is a bit of a mystery, but he has great offensive capabilities if given the chance, as shown when we first arrived in Columbus and put up 34 points in 48 games and was averaging about 17 minutes of ice time, and now he's down to about 12 minutes this season, but given the minutes as a 2nd liner, he can definitely produce, especially if playing in our top 6 with Tkachuk.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1491920420559556613

…back to some trade rumours.

They could offer up the injured Hornqvist (for cap reasons and is still a useful player) and the stalled but talented Heponiemi (who can use a change of scenery) with a 2022 3rd.

Florida ends up with Weegar, Forsling and Gio on the left side. They might as well go all in on the season.

[MrMike]

Wrong thread

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Acting GM of the Sharks sounds confident they will get a contract extension done with Hertl. If it gets done removes one of the top rentals and UFAs from the market.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1491869177874845696

https://twitter.com/user/status/1491870098268700684

The once enticing class of UFAs (especially at C) is getting thinner and thinner.

Barkov 8x10/Zibanejad 8x8.5/Couturier 8x7.75 all locked up. Hertl would be the prettiest girl at the dance on July 1, but now that they've ditched Kane SJ can probably get this done.

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I think that Tre has to have a conversation with Sutter and find out if Monahan is part of the plan for the rest of the season. He is not a bottom six player, and given a checking role with Ritchie on the wing he is replacement level. The few weeks when he had two good wingers he looked like a valuable player.

The point is, if Monahan is not going to be played with wingers that complement him, then I think he can be moved.

I would forget Domi and look at Roslovic as a right handed C/RW. Dube is a better player at centre, and these two might actually complement each other. I know that it's trendy to crap all over Monahan on CP, but Columbus can handle a straight trade capwise, and are desperately thin at centre ice.

It also leaves Valimaki as a serious trade chip to spend on another winger for that line. If Monahan and Valimaki can be turned into a line of (Dude) - Dube - Roslovic, I would call that a win, and it makes it easier to sign Johnny and Tkachuk.

Personally I would rather find a RW for that third line, but am worried that Ritchie trumps even Malkin for icetime for some reason.

The concerning thing is that Roslovic has managed so little TOI despite that supposed dearth of C's...Jenner has taken the 1C spot (even though he hadn't cracked a 40pt pace for last 6 years) and the likes of Kuraly/Teixier/Sillinger are getting more time than JR.

Seems like a decent buy-low option to fill 2/3C next year at a lower AAV

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Knut

Laine, Domi and Roslovic are all terrible defensively. You actually come out behind for the playoffs and you gave up like 5 assets in the deal.

Not to mention Domi is a UFA.

Roslovic is far from terrible defensively. He's no Patrice Bergeron, but he owns plenty of two-way skill. His weaknesses are faceoffs, and consistency-the latter of which would be quickly ironed out by Sutter. He's got sturdy size, good speed, and the ability to drive play (which he doesn't always do because of the consistency thing). As stated earlier, his buddy Chucky is here too. Perfect "reclamation" player IMO.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by AT77

People are so hung up on giving away picks the next 2-3 years, not realizing that if we're contenders for the next 5+ years, those 2-3 years of lack of picks makes a negligible amount of difference. Don't believe me? Ask Tampa or any other contender that trades picks to be consistent contenders.

Pick a side, a perennial contender or a middle of the pack mediocre team which the Flames have consistently been and keep your picks which most of the time don't change the course of your team unless if they're a sure fire top 3 pick.

Kucherov was a late 2nd round pick, Point was a 3rd rounder, Palat was a 7th rounder. No way they win those cups without those guys. I'm betting that Tampa is pretty happy they didn't trade away those picks.

[Reggie Dunlop]

I'm not sure the Flames would want to bring back Giordano, certainly not for the reported asking price.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

I'm not sure the Flames would want to bring back Giordano, certainly not for the reported asking price.

This team needs help with forward depth and skill in the top 6... Ideally a RH top line forward who can score some goals. Getting that guy would push other guys down to where they should be though. One big fish would be ideal. Wasting assets on Giordano would be moronic in my view.

The defense is fine. Great even. Better than the sum of its parts and I would argue getting the best value in the league when considering cap hit and impact individually and as a group. Best case scenario that even the most optimistic fans didn't see coming in September. Maybe pick up a depth guy to protect against injuries but even then... Stone, Mackey and Valimaki are probably enough unless Valimaki is traded to get a forward then look for a cheap vet that could ideally be had for a guy like Phillips or a 5th.

[DoubleK]

Hard pass on Gio. He can go to Florida.

Montreal will have to retain on Toffoli, any trade needs to be cap positive or neutral to keep room to sign the guys who need deals.

[Sandman]

When I look at the D, I do see a lack of playoff experience throughout. Hanifin and Andersson each have 15 games, Tanev has 33 games (17 of them in 2020 with the 'nucks), Kylington has 0, Gudbranson has 19 (7 of those in his rookie season with the Panthers), Zadorov has 33, Stone has 6, Mackey and Val have 0. From a GM's perspective, you can guarantee they will pick somebody up with some experience, despite the fact that most fans would be happy standing pat.

Does Gio help with experience? Probably not, as he's only played 23 games, and his performance in the playoffs has been spotty at best. Sounds like there could be a bidding war too, driving up the price to aquire to him.

Whoever lands Klingberg (it won't be us) will be getting a beast-he has 30 points in his last 39 playoff games (he has 34pts in 52 games overall).

[TheScorpion]

Maybe Marc Staal will be the guy. 107 games of playoff experience.

[mikephoen]

Is Dallas really going to be moving Klingberg and Pavelski? They're on the bubble right now. They may try to make the playoffs and go on a run themselves.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Is Dallas really going to be moving Klingberg and Pavelski? They're on the bubble right now. They may try to make the playoffs and go on a run themselves.

That's what I would expect, unless they fall right out of the picture soon.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Is Dallas really going to be moving Klingberg and Pavelski? They're on the bubble right now. They may try to make the playoffs and go on a run themselves.

Didn't Klingberg ask for a move?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Kucherov was a late 2nd round pick, Point was a 3rd rounder, Palat was a 7th rounder. No way they win those cups without those guys. I'm betting that Tampa is pretty happy they didn't trade away those picks.

Depends where you are in your cycle.

When you have Stamkos and Hedman as teenagers/early 20s, you wanna take more draft picks.

We’re past drafting ourselves out of any of this team’s issues - Pelletier, Zary and Coronato better be able to contribute, because Darryl Sutter is not going to be giving any top-90 selections in the next three drafts any significant minutes while we have Johnny in his late 20s early 30s, Tkachuk, (presumably) Lindholm and Markstrom.

They do need to find a gem or two in the later rounds, but what they need more than anything is another superstar.

Realistically, you need two centres that would each be a #1C on 20-25 teams - Lindholm is an ideal #2C in this arrangement.

It’s incredibly unlikely to win a championship without at least a top-2 pick, or two top-3 picks that become superstars.

We have one superstar - there hasn’t been a team to win a championship with one superstar in the cap era.

It cannot be done.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Didn't Klingberg ask for a move?

No, but he did say if they didn't plan on re-signing him they may as well just part ways. Sounds like 0% traction on getting what he's looking for there.