I mean, Tippett's a really good coach, teams he's left have done worse. Tod McClellan had a great run in San Jose. They are both good coaches.
Look at the difference in buy-in here for Gaudreau this year, he's all over the puck not just playing offense, he's playing a very responsible game, and it's paying off for stats and wins. The Oilers top guys just refuse to do it.
I don't believe for a second Tippett was coaching McDavid to kind of drift around and not really do anything below the blue line. But waiting for the puck and streaking up ice got him into the NHL, so he wants to keep doing it. It's not working, and all the coaches they've had up there know it.
This is fantastic.
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Is there gonna be a ATL of the presser? Pretty please.
Sure. With respect to Gaskal...
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Says “when I was in Detroit” 4 times
Mentions “Guide and Record book” twice.
Fumbles question on why not make the change when there was a break in the schedule once.
Says “it’s hard to find a goalie” three times.
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I'll set the Over/under for number of times he uses the word 'Detroit' at 12.
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He never fired a coach in Detroit, so it will be hard for him to compare this to his time there. But he'll try.
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To me, it sounds like he is about to cry or has been crying. Sort of feel bad for him.
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f*** this dude. He should be on a plane with Tippett right now
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Gut feel count: 7
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His gut feelings are the reason the team doesn't have a strong analytics department.
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There are some people who fail to see the forest for the trees....others fail to see the trees.
Kenny sees nothing....lost....without hope.
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"Up and down like a toilet seat."
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Ahhh, he used Dave's "chasing the game" quote
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Jeepers creepers, Holland said he was hoping to be signing Tippett to an extension in a few months and Woodcroft would bloom into an NHL coach either here or elsewhere.
f*** me with a cactus.
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“Gut feeling” will be added to “Bold moves” “Somethings in the water” “Craigs on it” and the rest of infamous Oiler quotes in our Book of Lore.
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I've had more coherent talks in a nursing home than Holland right now. He must have missed his morning ovaltine and digestive cookies.
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Lol holland is so delusional with the goaltending. This guy doesn’t even know what’s happening right in front of his face
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"I'm hoping that we can get Mikko and Smitty back to 'share the net' and 'feed off eachother'."
Crying into my keys.
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Well I am glad that 'gut feeling' trumped the fact that we have won what, about 5 of the last 30 games or so.
I believe this guy is still the highest paid gm in the league. What a total travesty.
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Take a shot every time Holland pauses or says uhhhh
I'd be dead within seconds
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The solution is in the room.. awesome.
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“In the room”.
f*** off Holland.
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Holland looks and sounds like a guy who just killed someone being interrogated by the police for killing someone
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Ken Hollands entire manager strategy appears to be "hope and a prayer".
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lol Woodcroft flies in at 9 PM tonight and expected to win an NHL game tomorrow.
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Isn’t 100% sure who is coaching Bakersfield.
Jesus f***ing Christ it’s worse than I thought.
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" I was a manager for 22 years in Detroit"
Thanks Ken
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Ken's incoherent rambling is wild to listen to...
How the f*** is this guy our GM??
What did we do to deserve this?
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Who’s the coach of Bakersfield now Ken? Uh, some guy named Chalk, I think. I THINK?? That is a man who has his finger on the pulse of his organization!! LMAO!!
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Is there gonna be a ATL of the presser? Pretty please.
I can give it a try since I went to the salt mines on HF after the Holland presser:
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Too little too late
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Should be a PGT because every time this walking circus speaks we lose.
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He’s been sleeping well till last night?
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Sounds like that 3rd period against Chicago where the players looked like they completely gave up pushed this decision.
Too bad it was 10 - 15 games of the players looking like that to wake Holland's gut up
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Holland is unintelligible man.
He's way past his prime. Please Mr. Katz, give us Keith Gretzky.
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He doesn't have the answer but he said the ANSWER IS IN THE ROOM back in January lol
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Forgot to fire his pro scouts and his goalie coach.
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This man seriously lacks either speaking skills or brain cells.
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“In the room”.
f*** off Holland.
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Yeah lol a gut feeling of "oh #### I'm going to get fired in the spring if we don't make the playoffs".
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Gut feel count: 7
8???
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His gut feelings are the reason the team doesn't have a strong analytics department.
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I think we all had that "gut feeling" a few months ago
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Holland stumbling and stuttering in an effort to avoid admitting the pressure came from above. His "gut feeling" is probably the pain after someone punched him in the belly and coerced him to fire Tippett.
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LOL Hope is not a strategy.
Same as 'gut feeling'.
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Well I am glad that 'gut feeling' trumped the fact that we have won what, about 5 of the last 30 games or so.
I believe this guy is still the highest paid gm in the league. What a total travesty.
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He never fired a coach in Detroit, so it will be hard for him to compare this to his time there. But he'll try.
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Hahaha there we go "In Detroit"
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My God. He is lost. None of this fits the when I was in Detroit mold he is used to.
Considering the Detroit model is to stumble into a few late-round hall of famers, ???, Cups, I'm not shocked.
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Jeepers creepers, Holland said he was hoping to be signing Tippett to an extension in a few months and Woodcroft would bloom into an NHL coach either here or elsewhere.
f*** me with a cactus.
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Holland sounds like he wants to cry that his dream of signing Tippett to an extension didn't happen.
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This sign Tippet to an extension thing--please tell me he did not say that? This is just another internet joke?
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lol at that 10 second pause before answering the goaltending question.
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hes pumping up mikkos tires here , guarantee hes trying to trade him ASAP
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Actions speak louder than words, Kenny. You had 2 1/2 years to shore up the goaltending and as of right now this team is arguably worse than when you took over for Chiarelli.
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To be fair we did make the playoffs with Tippett and at the start of the year looked like we might be the best team in the league.
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Overall the team has improved the last few years, HOWEVER, you have arguably the best two players on this planet in their prime.
It sickens me the waste that has happened. I so hope they quickly buy into a Woodcroft system. I don’t even know his system, but as long as they play ANY system it will be a huge improvement
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Kassian hasn't been good, but that sucks for him. I wonder what happened.
Punched himself.
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Kassian injury is addition through subtraction
Everyone has been bad under tippitt this year.
With a blank slate, he could be an effective bottom sixer for the team in a system that isn't so focused on passive hockey.
This and that
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"Up and down like a toilet seat."
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"Chasing da game" is the new Oilers buzz word.
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"How do you think we improve this team?"
"Start to win. Play with the lead."
Wow. The insight.
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Holland looks and sounds like a guy who just killed someone being interrogated by the police for killing someone.
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He just killed Tippett's and Playfair's coaching careers so there is that.
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I honestly don't even know why you guys bother. I'd rather listen to a crowd of vuvuzelas.
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The next time I glean anything from an Oilers press conference will be the first.
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Isn’t 100% sure who is coaching Bakersfield.
Jesus f***ing Christ it’s worse than I thought.
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There's no camera angle of it, but there are 16 people at the presser on the floor due to hypoxia. Ken just sucking all the oxygen out of the room. They come to a little bit when he drinks water, but then bam, zoinked out again. Shame really.
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f*** off Jim you clown. I don't give a #### if they had 100 coaches in 12 years. If it takes 100 coaches to find the best coach then so be it.
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we are not winning we are not meeting expectations
NO #### SHERLOCK
PS: sorry Gaskal, I took your shift at the salt mine.
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Overall the team has improved the last few years, HOWEVER, you have arguably the best two players on this planet in their prime.
This is the problem with their team and fans. "Arguably" the best 2 players on this planet? Well, he's correct on the "arguably" part, there are a lot of argument on that statement.
Remember when people were worried that they were going to get competent management because they hired Cup-winner Peter Chiarelli?
Remember when people were worried that they were going to get competent management because they fired Chiarelli and hired multiple-Cup-winner Ken Holland?
Good times.
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Turn up the good, turn down the suck!
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Remember when people were worried that they were going to get competent management because they hired Cup-winner Peter Chiarelli?
Remember when people were worried that they were going to get competent management because they fired Chiarelli and hired multiple-Cup-winner Ken Holland?
Good times.
It’s always the same. They’ll be good with McLellan. They’ll be good with Tippett. They’ll be good because Puljujarvi is coming back. They’ll be good because they signed Hyman. They’ll be good because Kane is there now.
So funny. As long as Lowe is there and Katz permits his influence... the culture will always be toxic to the point where there is not a person alive that could turn that team around
Lowe's entitled arrogance and idiocy combined with his influence will ensure they are always mediocre at best as long as he is there
They've actually had some good coaches. But the organization is so rotten to the core that they never stood a chance
Holland is bad. Chiarelli was bad. MacTavish was bad. But there was never a chance they would be anything but
Culture is underrated. Not just with Edmonton but in general across all industries. If you have toxic culture you don't have a chance for sustainable success imo
The oilers won't have that chance until Lowe is fired and Katz hires people to fix the culture and lets them do it with no interference.
When Barrie told Ceci to remember that the Toronto players weren't his friends now and his response was something like "I don't have any friends here either" (paraphrasing)... that just summed the oilers culture up perfectly
Not to mention all the other evidence from the last 20 years. Don't feel like citing it... but nearly every foot in mouth moment they've had has been a window into their culture
Kevin Lowe might be the worst hockey executive in history given the length of his rule, lack of results and the sheer amount of things like the Barrie/Ceci thing that have popped up over the years. You can't really track that stuff but if I had to guess... that organization has endured 3x the amount of embarrassing incidents as the average nhl franchise for the last 20 years. Luckily for them, their fans and media not only put up with it... but defend it. There is no other franchise like this in the NHL since I've been watching for the last 30 years
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Yeah, in 12 months or less Holland is the next one to walk the plank.
Who knows what the final straw was, my guess is Tippett was as disgusted as most of the journalists were about the Kane thing, and he was probably told from above how to play Kane.
Normally there's a bit of smoke from there usual media crew up there, and while there was a bit, this was probably just as much Holland.
But there's one guy that's been at the centre of this for over 25 years that has insulated himself for the mistakes him and his ego make in trying to be the modern day Glen Sather, in regards to treating some players different, overruling coaches and managers time and again.
Remember when people were worried that they were going to get competent management because they fired Chiarelli and hired multiple-Cup-winner Ken Holland?
Good times.
I think everyone knew Holland was a decade past his 'best before date'. I don't remember anyone being too worried about this one. More of a collective "ha ha, stupid Oilers!"
Oh the zhitshow up there will be hilarious.
Tippet could handle Kane....whats this new guy gonna do....curl up in the fetal position in the corner when Kane blows up the locker room.
