2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[GioforPM]

I think the most likely trade with Monahan is either in a package or for a similar down on his luck player with a fairly big contract (like Tarasenko was). Currently, who fits that bill? I could see Karlsson getting squeezed out in Vegas.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

It may ultimately be the Flames who will have to trade a draft pick to a rebuilding team along with Monahan just to drop his salary (i.e. Marleau).

Even if we reached the premise that Monahan had zero use to a team, Marleau and Monahan are not comparable. Marleau came with a $6.25M cap hit, Monahan will have a $2M cap hit over two years.

Marleau also had NMC and it was reported he would only waive under the understanding that the team would buy him out so he could sign with his beloved Sharks. Carolina was actually hoping not to buy him out and have him play for them but ultimately was unable to convince him.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I would do it.

I'm surprised by this.

Tippett is the worst player on a good team.

He gets regular time with the guys propping up Sam Bennett and is rocking a xGF% sub 50.

I don't see much there.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Not sure why a rebuilding team would even need a Monahan type when there will be plenty of cheaper options/reclamation projects available. It may ultimately be the Flames who will have to trade a draft pick to a rebuilding team along with Monahan just to drop his salary (i.e. Marleau).

No one is going to do Treliving a favor here. Other GMs know the bind Treliving will be in, so I could see them asking for something ridiculous like a 1st or 2nd and then just wait for Treliving to buy him Monahan out so they can offer him a 1 year deal at a fraction of his current cap hit.

I’ve heard a lot of people say he still has value. But this is his 3rd consecutive down season and he’s been on the market before without much noted interest.

30 yo Derek Stepan was traded 1 year ago for a 2nd. 1 yr 6.5M left. Worse numbers than Monahan.

Derrick Brassard kept getting traded for positive returns after he dropped to a 40-45pt guy (while making 5M) - a few complicated deals including some retention...his last deadline deal at 3M hit he fetched a 3rd.

I'm sure there are other examples. Kyle Turris comes to mind.

There aren't actually that many cheaper/reliable options to play C in the middle 6, and nearly every buyer would love to add a C at the TDL (ourselves included). There may be a few similar/better players available as UFAs, but that means giving term. Or you're signing Brassard or Stepan or Turris if you want ~1x1.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think the most likely trade with Monahan is either in a package or for a similar down on his luck player with a fairly big contract (like Tarasenko was). Currently, who fits that bill? I could see Karlsson getting squeezed out in Vegas.

Karlsson is a poor suggestion in my opinion. He is 29 and has 5 years left on his deal with a modest 475k in cap savings vs Monahan. Rather ride that Monahan contract out than have another 30+ player signed for sizable money for a half decade.

I agree with your overall premise but not sure that is what the Flames would be interested in unless it results in some fairly immediate cap savings.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

I don’t think that Sutter doesn’t like him but maybe feels he can develop more playing a large number of minutes in the AHL. If he wants to be a top pairing defensemen in the NHL he should have no problem standing out in the A.

If we can flip him now for a similar youngster that could fit in our top 6 and provide some secondary scoring up front, I’d do it. Is that guy Tippett? I don’t know.

I watched some highlights and thought he looked alright, he is only 22 and seems like a bigger body. If the cost is Valimaki, I’d do it.

Valimaki looked good before the injuries derailed him. I've seen Tippett since he came to the league and he's never looked good (nobody looks bad in a highlight reel). Under Q he started to play a better two-way game and for a while I though he was taking the next step but he just doesn't produce. Hockey IQ really seems to be the problem, he doesn't connect with anyone on the team and has been given ample opportunity. Also he's finishing skills are incredibly bad considering he was considered maybe the best goal scorer of his draft class.

I think he's can be a solid bottom six guy but that's not worth much.

[Monahammer]

Laine for Valimaki+Pitlick+Heinemen+1st 2022

[powderjunkie]

In terms of valuing Monahan, we should consider how difficult it seems to be to find a plausible upgrade.

Rentals:

Giroux NMC
Pavelski 3 team trade list
Hertl 3 team trade list

No guarantee any of the above even more at all...leaving the next best available possibilities:
Stastny
Copp
Jarnkrok
Domi
Brassard
M Johansson
Tierney

A bunch of the above aren't pure C's and may not even be available. Stastny is probably the only clear Offensive upgrade, though some of them play a more complete game suited to 3C.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

In terms of valuing Monahan, we should consider how difficult it seems to be to find a plausible upgrade.

Rentals:

Giroux NMC
Pavelski 3 team trade list
Hertl 3 team trade list

No guarantee any of the above even more at all...leaving the next best available possibilities:
Stastny
Copp
Jarnkrok
Domi
Brassard
M Johansson
Tierney

A bunch of the above aren't pure C's and may not even be available. Stastny is probably the only clear Offensive upgrade, though some of them play a more complete game suited to 3C.

Perhaps an offensive upgrade but at top 6 wing, move Dube to 3C.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Laine for Valimaki+Pitlick+Heinemen+1st 2022

I see no reason for Columbus to make that trade.

Laine is a bad target for the Flames. $7.5M QO required to keep him for one more year and he could walk to UFA. He has not been worth his extension and the Flames either rent him or hope he bounces back while losing one or more of their better players in Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

[Ashasx]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1488619769205080069

murder me

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

https://twitter.com/user/status/1488619769205080069

murder me

Puke what an awful awful deal. That’s just disgusting.

[SuperMatt18]

It's a random Habs fan's trade speculation on Twitter.

I wouldn't get too worked up about it.

[BlindMilwaukee]

That is absolutely brutal. Somebody kidnap Tre if this has any legitimacy and don't let him go until the TDL is long past.

[Ashasx]

murder me re: Flames interested in Chiarot and it could cost as much or more than a 1st

[Fire]

Hahaha that trade would never happen.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

murder me re: Flames interested in Chiarot and it could cost as much or more than a 1st

If somebody offered a 1st for Chiarot the trade would have happened already.

This happens every trade deadline...about a month out you get these ridiculous asking prices probably being leaked by the Habs GM.

It's just Montreal saying "We want a return for Chiarot similar to what Tampa payed for Savard last year" (1st, 3rd with 50% retention)

Difference being Savard was actually a good defensive defenseman at the time of the trade, where Chiarot is just bad.

[Bongsong]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

I'm surprised by this.

Tippett is the worst player on a good team.

He gets regular time with the guys propping up Sam Bennett and is rocking a xGF% sub 50.

I don't see much there.

Get over it Bennett is a good player on his own he is not being proped up by anyone

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

The numbers you posted are best case scenario type numbers, what if Gaudreau ends up getting $10M-11M offers? Then Tkachuk will likely want something closer to that as well. That’s what I meant when I said there’s risk.

Treliving shouldn’t box himself into a corner here for a complimentary player like Tyler Toffoli. What ends up getting done in the offseason with one of the team’s current expendable big tickets should determine who the Flames can afford to go after. If say all of Monahan’s cap hit can be moved, then maybe the Flames could theoretically look at higher end free agents or conversely, If Monahan has to be bought out, then that could limit what Treliving can do this offseason.

All I know is, the priority should be Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Mangiapane and Kylington because we know what these guys are on the Flames. Whereas unknown quantities like Toffoli and Laine will carry far too much risk in a lot of ways.

If Treliving goes the rental route, than they should be cheaper to obtain and will give this team the added punch they’re looking for this season along with cap flexibility. I know there’s a lot of apprehension when it comes to rentals around here. But the Flames window could very well end this season, so I’d go all in if I was Treliving. Enough of the endless mediocrity already, either this team goes full boom to win the Stanley Cup or go full bust trying.


EDIT: Also, I don’t think Treliving is going to want to build half his team next season with league minimum contracts like Brett Ritchie, Brad Richardson, Trevor Lewis and etc. So, someone will have to go.

I see your point and it would be a difficult off-season no matter how you slice it. Mostly because most of the free agents are over-performing their career averages.

That said, if it takes $10-11M to resign Gaudreau/Tkachuk, then you wish them the best of luck elsewhere. In Tkachuk’s case you take the 4 1st or whatever the compensation. I personally don’t see Tkachuk getting paid more than his qualifying offer($9M) on the next contract.

I thought I actually exaggerated some of the numbers. Perhaps those are my rose coloured glasses. Neither Gaudreau nor Tkachuk have shown they can perform in the post season. Kylington also has one year of work so I think his bridge will be at the $2-2.5M range. As for Mangiapane it can be anything from 4-6 in my opinion.

I also don’t see Toffoli as more of a complimentary player than Mangiapane. I think they are similar. Perhaps I’m a lot higher on the guy than you are, so I feel if you can add him at a reasonable price you do it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's a random Habs fan's trade speculation on Twitter.

I wouldn't get too worked up about it.

It’s been deleted.