2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Someone on hf suggested tippet for Valimaki.

Don’t know much about Tippett what do you think?

I would do it.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I do think that Dube and Valimaki are in play for deals If the flames are looking to go real big game hunting.

They talk on the fan about a Monahan buyout

I still find it highly unlikely they buy out Monahan. At the very worst case scenario, a rebuilding team would pay a 7th for him at 2.375 retained (the buyout hit) for a half year of stability and then hope to flip him at the deadline. That would at least get rid of the 2M hit the following year that would come with a buyout.

That said, I think his value would be a bit higher than that; perhaps a return would involve a bottom pair/line player who is slightly overpaid and redundant on the other team (e.g. Del Zotto 2M) and mid-value pick(s)

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

The Flames have $31.3M to sign 10-12 players. It’s doable without trading anyone, but it will be a tight squeeze. If you get Gaudreau and Tkachuk for around $18M combined, add 5(?) for Mangiapane and 3 for Kylington(bridge). You would have $5.3M to sign 6 players to fill in the bottom 6 and 3rd pairing.

Adding Toffoli would definitely complicate things, which would result in one big ticket contract being out the door. That said Tre might not be able to sign everyone, so you could end up with one of Mangiapane/Tkachuk/Kylington traded, or Gaudreau signing elsewhere. Someone like Toffoli could make the loss more manageable for a season until we go big game hunting when Monahan and Lucic are off the books.

This core could also choke again in the playoffs, which might prompt management to look for a new core. Perhaps targeting someone like Foresberg, or Giroux and trading some of our star wingers.

The numbers you posted are best case scenario type numbers, what if Gaudreau ends up getting $10M-11M offers? Then Tkachuk will likely want something closer to that as well. That’s what I meant when I said there’s risk.

Treliving shouldn’t box himself into a corner here for a complimentary player like Tyler Toffoli. What ends up getting done in the offseason with one of the team’s current expendable big tickets should determine who the Flames can afford to go after. If say all of Monahan’s cap hit can be moved, then maybe the Flames could theoretically look at higher end free agents or conversely, If Monahan has to be bought out, then that could limit what Treliving can do this offseason.

All I know is, the priority should be Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Mangiapane and Kylington because we know what these guys are on the Flames. Whereas unknown quantities like Toffoli and Laine will carry far too much risk in a lot of ways.

If Treliving goes the rental route, than they should be cheaper to obtain and will give this team the added punch they’re looking for this season along with cap flexibility. I know there’s a lot of apprehension when it comes to rentals around here. But the Flames window could very well end this season, so I’d go all in if I was Treliving. Enough of the endless mediocrity already, either this team goes full boom to win the Stanley Cup or go full bust trying.


EDIT: Also, I don’t think Treliving is going to want to build half his team next season with league minimum contracts like Brett Ritchie, Brad Richardson, Trevor Lewis and etc. So, someone will have to go.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Someone on hf suggested tippet for Valimaki.

Don’t know much about Tippett what do you think?

I would do that all day.

I think Tippett is on the table for big game hunting. Don’t bother asking about Lundell but if they are going after Chychrun or some other long term piece I think they start with Tippett+1st and go from there.

If they would be willing to flip him for Valimaki or Dube I would welcome that deal

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I would do it.

Yup, they seem to be at similar stages and fill needs for the other team.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Yup, they seem to be at similar stages and fill needs for the other team.

I think what someone else said is right though - plan A for the panthers would be to package him up with other pieces to bring in an impactful player. They are a legit contender. Juuso doesn't address anything near-term to improve their cup odds.
Maybe they fall back to him if they can't land an impactful dman. But it feels more like a summer move to me.

[powderjunkie]

^Agreed. Same for the Flames, really, with Valimaki

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Someone on hf suggested tippet for Valimaki.

Don’t know much about Tippett what do you think?

Pass. I think Valimaki will still develop into a top 2 D man. I think it would be a very bad trade down the road. If we are including Valimaki into a deal it needs to be for a sure thing.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

The numbers you posted are best case scenario type numbers, what if Gaudreau ends up getting $10M-11M offers? Then Tkachuk will likely want something closer to that as well. That’s what I meant when I said there’s risk.

Treliving shouldn’t box himself into a corner here for a complimentary player like Tyler Toffoli. What ends up getting done in the offseason with one of the team’s current expendable big tickets should determine who the Flames can afford to go after. If say all of Monahan’s cap hit can be moved, then maybe the Flames could theoretically look at higher end free agents or conversely, If Monahan has to be bought out, then that could limit what Treliving can do this offseason.

All I know is, the priority should be Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Mangiapane and Kylington because we know what these guys are on the Flames. Whereas unknown quantities like Toffoli and Laine will carry far too much risk in a lot of ways.

If Treliving goes the rental route, than they should be cheaper to obtain and will give this team the added punch they’re looking for this season along with cap flexibility. I know there’s a lot of apprehension when it comes to rentals around here. But the Flames window could very well end this season, so I’d go all in if I was Treliving. Enough of the endless mediocrity already, either this team goes full boom to win the Stanley Cup or go full bust trying.


EDIT: Also, I don’t think Treliving is going to want to build half his team next season with league minimum contracts like Brett Ritchie, Brad Richardson, Trevor Lewis and etc. So, someone will have to go.

hmm, good point. Dammit Toffoli just seems like a perfect fit for several obvious reasons...however the Jarnkrok rental idea that was brought up also sounds less risky. Tre is certainly in a challenging spot.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Stanley

hmm, good point. Dammit Toffoli just seems like a perfect fit for several obvious reasons...however the Jarnkrok rental idea that was brought up also sounds less risky. Tre is certainly in a challenging spot.

He certainly is. Treliving isn’t without blame either though, he put himself in this position. He could’ve easily signed Mangiapane and possibly even Matthew Tkachuk to long term sweetheart deals a few years back and would only have to deal with Gaudreau and Kylington this time around with a lot more cap flexibility. I know that’s what I wanted that to happen at the time.

But alas, he ended up betting big on his 2019-2022 window. I’m sure he wanted maximum depth with the types of contracts he signed. Ironically though…this roster’s depth is currently this team’s weakness.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I would do it.

100%. Would be using Valimaki to get either Tippett or Vilardi.

We have Mackey who is more than ready for a bottom pairing spot.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Yeah I’m with you on Lucic, he’s here to stay and his NMC is a guarantee.

I’m not as harsh on management regarding Pitlick, and Ritchie. You had to sign Ritchie before the expansion draft, and it’s not Brad’s fault the coaching stuff like him. As for Pitlick he’s not the same player from a season ago. I’m guessing injuries, lack of confidence, and the pressure of a contract year made him underperform.

It’s not just the players, it’s the inability to upgrade and get some decent depth. The team is relying on the first line . Once it’s shut down, they are done

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I still find it highly unlikely they buy out Monahan. At the very worst case scenario, a rebuilding team would pay a 7th for him at 2.375 retained (the buyout hit) for a half year of stability and then hope to flip him at the deadline. That would at least get rid of the 2M hit the following year that would come with a buyout.

That said, I think his value would be a bit higher than that; perhaps a return would involve a bottom pair/line player who is slightly overpaid and redundant on the other team (e.g. Del Zotto 2M) and mid-value pick(s)

I doubt they buy him out either. But I doubt anyone wants him even with $2,375M retained, cap space is just becoming too valuable. If Monny was a UFA today, he'd be looking at a 1-year deal at about $2.5M I would guess. But it's just a guess.

I agree that someone might do it if they were able to dump another undesirable player in the deal.

[Monahammer]

I still want Laine.

[Saqe]

Tippett is a fairly low IQ player that has tunnel vision big time. Valimaki is the opposite but he has has injury concerns and Sutter doesn't seem to like him. So I guess whatever since Juuso isn't getting icetime here anytime soon but Tippett is pretty underwhelming.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I still want Laine.

The more he struggles to score this year, the more excited I get about a potentially short term palatable cap hit.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I doubt they buy him out either. But I doubt anyone wants him even with $2,375M retained, cap space is just becoming too valuable. If Monny was a UFA today, he'd be looking at a 1-year deal at about $2.5M I would guess. But it's just a guess.

I agree that someone might do it if they were able to dump another undesirable player in the deal.

He would be a good bet for plenty of teams, even at his full ticket.

OTT, BUF, CBJ, DET, ANA, LAK, ARI, SEA, NJD, maybe VAN or CHI, etc.

[dino7c]

Can't wait for the "Legend of Jusso Valimaki" thread

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I still find it highly unlikely they buy out Monahan. At the very worst case scenario, a rebuilding team would pay a 7th for him at 2.375 retained (the buyout hit) for a half year of stability and then hope to flip him at the deadline. That would at least get rid of the 2M hit the following year that would come with a buyout.

That said, I think his value would be a bit higher than that; perhaps a return would involve a bottom pair/line player who is slightly overpaid and redundant on the other team (e.g. Del Zotto 2M) and mid-value pick(s)

Not sure why a rebuilding team would even need a Monahan type when there will be plenty of cheaper options/reclamation projects available. It may ultimately be the Flames who will have to trade a draft pick to a rebuilding team along with Monahan just to drop his salary (i.e. Marleau).

No one is going to do Treliving a favor here. Other GMs know the bind Treliving will be in, so I could see them asking for something ridiculous like a 1st or 2nd and then just wait for Treliving to buy him Monahan out so they can offer him a 1 year deal at a fraction of his current cap hit.

I’ve heard a lot of people say he still has value. But this is his 3rd consecutive down season and he’s been on the market before without much noted interest.

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Tippett is a fairly low IQ player that has tunnel vision big time. Valimaki is the opposite but he has has injury concerns and Sutter doesn't seem to like him. So I guess whatever since Juuso isn't getting icetime here anytime soon but Tippett is pretty underwhelming.

I don’t think that Sutter doesn’t like him but maybe feels he can develop more playing a large number of minutes in the AHL. If he wants to be a top pairing defensemen in the NHL he should have no problem standing out in the A.

If we can flip him now for a similar youngster that could fit in our top 6 and provide some secondary scoring up front, I’d do it. Is that guy Tippett? I don’t know.

I watched some highlights and thought he looked alright, he is only 22 and seems like a bigger body. If the cost is Valimaki, I’d do it.