2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Hate to be the wet blanket again, but I’m still seeing tons of names in this thread that just don’t seem realistic in my opinion. I feel like a lot of posters are setting themselves up for disappointment and also putting unfair expectations on Brad Treliving.

Even though I’m typically very critical of the guy, even I don’t think it’s realistic for Brad to trade for the Laine’s, DeBrincat’s or even the Toffoli’s of the hockey world with the Flames’ cap situation being what it is next season. I don’t think it makes sense acquiring big ticket players with term/rights that could impede the Flames’ ability to sign their 4 free agents this summer.

For instance, just to pay for the raises of Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Mangiapane & Kylington, Treliving will likely have to move one or more of Monahan, Backlund, Hanifin and etc. If you throw in a Toffoli contract on top of that, then it just adds more complexity and risk in to the mix. Then we’ll be in a situation of diminishing returns just due to sheer desperation. That’s not a good idea at all.

So in my opinion, the scenario that makes the most sense is a rental, at least until the TDL of 2023 when Lucic and Monahan’s contracts will be up.

The Flames have $31.3M to sign 10-12 players. It’s doable without trading anyone, but it will be a tight squeeze. If you get Gaudreau and Tkachuk for around $18M combined, add 5(?) for Mangiapane and 3 for Kylington(bridge). You would have $5.3M to sign 6 players to fill in the bottom 6 and 3rd pairing.

Adding Toffoli would definitely complicate things, which would result in one big ticket contract being out the door. That said Tre might not be able to sign everyone, so you could end up with one of Mangiapane/Tkachuk/Kylington traded, or Gaudreau signing elsewhere. Someone like Toffoli could make the loss more manageable for a season until we go big game hunting when Monahan and Lucic are off the books.

This core could also choke again in the playoffs, which might prompt management to look for a new core. Perhaps targeting someone like Foresberg, or Giroux and trading some of our star wingers.

[stemit14]

Looking around the league and wondering what other teams might target at the TDL. GIo comes to mind as a strong option for a few teams. I don’t think that will be Calgary’s priority but I’m sure you can put them on the list because of his history with the team.

But I could see Toronto or the Panthers going after him. If the cost is a first round pick and salary is retained, those teams could pull it off. No matter how they do in the playoffs, it looks like their first round pick won’t be very high. Leafs don’t have much cap space but if they sent them Ritchie + a $1 million player, they could fit in gio if Seattle retained 50% of his salary.

I’m expecting Minnesota to go after a big rental player. I think the obvious target for them is Pavelski. He’s from Wisconsin so it’s close to his hometown. And the team could use him now and in the future if he re-signs in the offseason.

The destination for Giroux is tricky… if he wants to be traded at all. Calgary would be a great fit but I don’t see that happening… tough to fit the cap hit unless half of it is retained. Plus the cost will likely be more than Treliving is willing to spend on a rental. Anaheim has a ton of cap space and I could see them bringing him in at the deadline if they keep up their pace. They have the cap space to bring him in. It depends on how patient they are with their rebuild. They are definitely ahead of where everyone thought they’d be but that can be a mirage for some young teams that have low expectations. Spending young assets on a rental is not the best option at this point in a rebuild but they were ready to go after eichel so who knows where their management think they are at.

I honestly think the most likely pickup for Calgary is Jarnkrok out of Seattle. He’s a pending UFA. He’s a depth scorer that can play up in the line up. His cousin (Lindholm) plays for Calgary. He’s a Swede. He shoots right. His cap hit is low enough that Calgary could also add a depth defensemen like they always do. And I don’t think he will cost much to acquire. So all that leads to a player that fits the team now and could be an audition for re-signing in the offseason if he turns into a solid contributor down the stretch. Paying for a rental player can be a smart move if it gives a team the chance to see how that player fits with the team before signing them at free agency before they’ve ever played a game for you.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Is Lucic even going to play for next to nothing next season? I could see him retiring

I doubt he walks away from $4M.

Just because $3M is paid as a bonus doesn’t mean he can get that and then walk away.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I doubt he walks away from $4M.

Just because $3M is paid as a bonus doesn’t mean he can get that and then walk away.

Why not?

Bonus gets paid on July 1st. Pretty easy to retire between then and the start of the season.

[Mindtravellee]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I doubt he walks away from $4M.

Just because $3M is paid as a bonus doesn’t mean he can get that and then walk away.

Although it'll making signing the expirying contracts easier, he'll probably contribute more than any free agent on a similar contract

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Why not?

Bonus gets paid on July 1st. Pretty easy to retire between then and the start of the season.

I think if he retires, he would need to repay the bonus. That bonus is considered salary for that year.

In any event, since the Flames would have paid $3M in that year, the cap hit couldn’t just disappear.

[Zoller]

Didn't Lucic recently boast about his "love of the game" returning recently?

That doesn't sound like someone considering retirement to me.

[Vinny01]

Lucic has no reason to retire. He will definitely get a deal from someone after next season as he is worth at least 2.5M the way he is playing this year. I could see the Flames re-signing him or joining Vancouver or Seattle.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Lucic has no reason to retire. He will definitely get a deal from someone after next season as he is worth at least 2.5M the way he is playing this year. I could see the Flames re-signing him or joining Vancouver or Seattle.

Flames will resign him for sure.

Lucic isn't worth his current deal but he still is an effective third liner who brings a ton of leadership and experience. His value to the team goes well beyond just points.

[CliffFletcher]

The Flames are not rebuilding this season or next. Just last season they signed two thirty-plus UFAs as core players and brought in Sutter. They’re in a playoff spot, and desperately want to win a round.

But the window is short. Over the next two off-seasons they may lose one or both of Guadreau and Tkachuk.

The team is in win-now mode, but are not motivated enough to mortgage the future. I don’t think they’re willing to move a 1st or a top prospect (Coranato, Wolf, Pelletier).

I agree that the Flames can’t take on a difference-maker who has term without complicating an already difficult off-season even further. So the rental option makes the most sense.

So realistic options are pending UFAs who can be had for less than a 1st. So Jarnkrok/Debrusk/Rackell rather than Hertl/Eberle/Giroux.

[Vinny01]

I think the main trade chips for the Flames are Dube, Valimaki, 2nd x2, and their 1st if the deal is right. I don’t think they will move one of their top 4 prospects unless it is for a long term core piece which I do not see them acquiring at the deadline.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Zoller

Didn't Lucic recently boast about his "love of the game" returning recently?

That doesn't sound like someone considering retirement to me.

Maybe he is looking at switching careers?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1488338155556245505

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Flames are not rebuilding this season or next. Just last season they signed two thirty-plus UFAs as core players and brought in Sutter. They’re in a playoff spot, and desperately want to win a round.

But the window is short. Over the next two off-seasons they may lose one or both of Guadreau and Tkachuk.

The team is in win-now mode, but are not motivated enough to mortgage the future. I don’t think they’re willing to move a 1st or a top prospect (Coranato, Wolf, Pelletier).

I agree that the Flames can’t take on a difference-maker who has term without complicating an already difficult off-season even further. So the rental option makes the most sense.

So realistic options are pending UFAs who can be had for less than a 1st. So Jarnkrok/Debrusk/Rackell rather than Hertl/Eberle/Giroux.

I think this is pretty accurate. Can't see the Flames fooling themselves into thinking they are a player, or two, away from competing with the top tier teams; Colorado, Vegas, TB, Florida, Carolina. So, I would be surprised to see them part with one of their top prospects or a 1st for a rental. Freidman said as much recently on a 32 Thoughts podcast when asked why the Flames weren't in on Chychrun. He did then go on to say the Flames are interested in Charot and Marek linked the Flames to Chychrun not long after. I suspect this is more kicking tires and enquiring on cost, opposed to making an offer.

Jarnkrok makes sense, as does Rakell. Debrusk in a hockey trade could also make sense.

Have a real hard time seeing Giroux or Hertl accepting a trade to Calgary, or more specifically, Canada at this point.

I do think Eberle is a maybe though. Reason why is because Eric D recently brought up an interesting point in that every year the TDL market is a bit different. He is foreseeing this year to be similar to 2012 where there was a lot of available players on the market, in other words a buyers market. He specifically pointed to the Kings aquiring Gaborik for a 2nd and a 3rd. Not a bad price for a player who lead them in scoring in the playoffs and continued to contribute beyond that year. Could Eberle be had for a similar price?

Really though the brontosaurus in the room is the Gaudreau situation. I suspect the Flames will be hesitant to do anything too big without the Gaudreau situation becoming clear, one way or the other.

[metroneck]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Maybe he is looking at switching careers?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1488338155556245505

That is crazy. He dwarfs 4 large men.

[Flamesfan05]

Lucic is going nowhere and he is doing ok, we can live with him for another year

It’s Pitlick and Ritchie that need to leave ASAP. Full display of Treliving’s incompetence every time I see them

[Bourque's Twin]

Lucic isn't retiring. He's still effective.

Assuming he's the same in a year, I hope he extends with the Flames and plays on the 4th line. Having a nuclear warhead on the bench and his leadership is really good for this team.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Lucic is going nowhere and he is doing ok, we can live with him for another year

It’s Pitlick and Ritchie that need to leave ASAP. Full display of Treliving’s incompetence every time I see them

Yeah I’m with you on Lucic, he’s here to stay and his NMC is a guarantee.

I’m not as harsh on management regarding Pitlick, and Ritchie. You had to sign Ritchie before the expansion draft, and it’s not Brad’s fault the coaching stuff like him. As for Pitlick he’s not the same player from a season ago. I’m guessing injuries, lack of confidence, and the pressure of a contract year made him underperform.

[Fan69]

Someone on hf suggested tippet for Valimaki.

Don’t know much about Tippett what do you think?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Really though the brontosaurus in the room is the Gaudreau situation. I suspect the Flames will be hesitant to do anything too big without the Gaudreau situation becoming clear, one way or the other.

I expect that the situation relating to Johnny will be anything but clear at that the trade deadline.

But like all things relating to the Johnny situation right now, we really have no idea.

[FBI]

I very much doubt Lucic is going to get 2.5 mil on his next contract.. I could see league min salary though