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Old 01-25-2022, 07:32 PM   #7461
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The fire sale is perpetually on in Arizona but I wonder if they’d ever trade Keller? I don’t want the Flames to get smaller but he’d be a huge add to the 2nd line.

Probably 1st+Valimaki+Coronato+dumps but I think that’s a good price for a guy who can produce like he can.
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Old 01-25-2022, 07:35 PM   #7462
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I know this one is likely a long shot but would Philly consider moving Konecny?

Might be more of a summer move but he has had 2 so-so seasons after a near ppg run before the bubble.

Ultimately I am looking at some top 6 forwards the flames could get for Dube+picks. I don’t want to necessarily move Dube but I think he could be near the point where a change of scenery could be in the cards. I am likely jumping the gun there but I could see Dube being a piece the Flames dangle for an upgrade.

Dube+Pitlick+2 2nds for Konecny? Complicates the cap situation

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Dube+Monahan+Pitlick+1st+2nd for Konecny+Giroux

Flames likely need to add more but that would add a lot to this team

Yeesh. Now I have agreed with a lot of your posts lately but to me that’s overpay and a hard no. That isn’t a long term center and as far as I’m concerned if Tre spends those assets and doesn’t get a long term center he is done with me.
Almost no chance Giroux signs here and we trade our first and second for a small winger who has underperformed for two years now?

This team needs a legit second line center and the entire dynamics of the team change. Konecky I don’t think does that.

Now could he work out and pair up with Monny? Sure. But that means committing to him long term and he isn’t getting quicker.
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Old 01-25-2022, 07:52 PM   #7463
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I can only imagine what this place would be like if the Flames gave up assets for a rental Giroux and then Gaudreau and Giroux end up back in Philly when free agency begins.
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I can only imagine what this place would be like if the Flames gave up assets for a rental Giroux and then Gaudreau and Giroux end up back in Philly when free agency begins.
Don't put that kind of sh*t out there man. Just don't do it!
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I can only imagine what this place would be like if the Flames gave up assets for a rental Giroux and then Gaudreau and Giroux end up back in Philly when free agency begins.
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Old 01-25-2022, 08:40 PM   #7466
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The fire sale is perpetually on in Arizona but I wonder if they’d ever trade Keller? I don’t want the Flames to get smaller but he’d be a huge add to the 2nd line.

Probably 1st+Valimaki+Coronato+dumps but I think that’s a good price for a guy who can produce like he can.
Yeah, no. I love Keller but he's a bit redundant with Gaudreau and Tkachuk here as playmakers.
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Old 01-25-2022, 08:41 PM   #7467
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I can only imagine what this place would be like if the Flames gave up assets for a rental Giroux and then Gaudreau and Giroux end up back in Philly when free agency begins.
That would depend on if they win a cup here or not. If they win a cup then both end up in Philly this place would be tolerable.
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Giroux at 50% for valimaki+1st 2022+ Pitlick

Cap works (thanks taxi squad!)
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Old 01-25-2022, 08:59 PM   #7470
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Giroux has a full NMC. I’m pretty leery of spending that much for a pure rental anyway. Almost guaranteed he signs back east afterwards.
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Giroux at 50% for valimaki+1st 2022+ Pitlick

Cap works (thanks taxi squad!)
That’s probably the price for Giroux. I feel like you can take that package, and like Coronato and a second and then get a scheifele or Keller or Larkin or Barzal or something like that, add a little extra and get a core piece instead of just a rental.
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Barzal for that?!?! No wonder many of you are disappointed when actual trades are made if that’s the expectation
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Barzal for that?!?! No wonder many of you are disappointed when actual trades are made if that’s the expectation
Coronato
Valimaki
1st
2nd

For

Barzal

Maybe I’m misremembering the Eichel deal but that’s pretty comparable? Maybe add Dube to offset some salary and Pitlick as a dump, thought the Flames can’t afford to lose a Dube right now.

And Barzal’s in the same weird Tkachuk contract situation where team control is pretty much done.
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Old 01-25-2022, 10:15 PM   #7474
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I can only imagine what this place would be like if the Flames gave up assets for a rental Giroux and then Gaudreau and Giroux end up back in Philly when free agency begins.
I would put the odds of that happening at roughly 1%. Has anyone looked at Philly’s cap situation next season? They’re in worse shape than us. They’ve got long term contract after long term contract to go along with overpriced free agents and very little wiggle room. For instance, who’s taking that Van Riemsdyk contract? Hayes deal seems to be already aging poorly. Is Ellis going to come back the same?

Essentially, Philly would likely have to choose between one of Giroux or Gaudreau, then they’d have to drop cap space just so they could fill out the rest of their roster with league minimum contracts and a reliable back up. Also, Giroux has been on record saying that he’s been thinking a lot about his next contract which tells me he’s going to look to cash in rather than sail into the sunset on a cheapo deal.

I don’t know what Johnny’s exact thoughts are, but the Flyers are in really bad shape and I doubt swapping Gaudreau for Giroux does much to change their current trajectory. I think their fans are already screaming for a rebuild. Have to think Johnny’s family has been keeping him abreast with the precarious circumstance Philly finds themselves in. I just don’t see Johnny Gaudreau desperately looking to jump both feet into that tumultuous situation.
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Old 01-25-2022, 10:27 PM   #7475
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Coronato
Valimaki
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Barzal

Maybe I’m misremembering the Eichel deal but that’s pretty comparable? Maybe add Dube to offset some salary and Pitlick as a dump, thought the Flames can’t afford to lose a Dube right now.

And Barzal’s in the same weird Tkachuk contract situation where team control is pretty much done.
People seem to think Barzal is a little more elite than he is. Assuming Eichel is healthy, he’s a PPG centre. Barzal has never been that outside of his rookie year when teams keyed on Tavares - he’s a .8 ppg guy typically. Still good, but he’s ranked just into the top 20, not the top 10 centres. He’s pretty inconsistent and streaky.
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Coronato
Valimaki
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2nd

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Barzal

Maybe I’m misremembering the Eichel deal but that’s pretty comparable? Maybe add Dube to offset some salary and Pitlick as a dump, thought the Flames can’t afford to lose a Dube right now.

And Barzal’s in the same weird Tkachuk contract situation where team control is pretty much done.
Eichel forced that otherwise I simply don't think you get a #1 centre, on the young side, for that.
And I don't think that package is as good as what Vegas gave up. People continue to under-rate Tuch.
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Coronato
Valimaki
1st

I'd move that package for Chychrun if the ask is truly a first and 2 former firsts.

Option 1 keep Hanafin and Move Zadorov (get your 3rd round pick back):
Chychrun Tanev
Hanafin Andersson
Kylington Gudbrannson

Option 2 move Hanafin (worth a first round pick likely)
Chychrun Tanev
Kylington Andersson
Zadorov Gudbrannson

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Old 01-25-2022, 10:45 PM   #7478
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People seem to think Barzal is a little more elite than he is. Assuming Eichel is healthy, he’s a PPG centre. Barzal has never been that outside of his rookie year when teams keyed on Tavares - he’s a .8 ppg guy typically. Still good, but he’s ranked just into the top 20, not the top 10 centres. He’s pretty inconsistent and streaky.
I am in the camp that thinks that Barzal is as elite as it gets. He plays very well at both ends of the ice. You can look at his advanced stats, or his playoff performances, but the guy is a difference maker whenever he’s on the ice.

He also has been very consistent in the last 4 seasons, you essentially get 2.5pts per 60 mins, which is great considering he doesn’t give up much.
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Eichel also had a broken neck and was about to have a surgery that multiple teams thought was a bad idea

Eichel has played one full season in his career, his rookie season

these things and his 10M salary hurt is value big time
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I am in the camp that thinks that Barzal is as elite as it gets. He plays very well at both ends of the ice. You can look at his advanced stats, or his playoff performances, but the guy is a difference maker whenever he’s on the ice.

He also has been very consistent in the last 4 seasons, you essentially get 2.5pts per 60 mins, which is great considering he doesn’t give up much.
I was a big fan. This year not so much. Most writers put him between a Kopitar and Couturier. Obviously that’s great, but not Eichel, Barkov level.
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